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AIBU to ask if you are worried about the new coronavirus? - continued

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IvyBush123 · 10/02/2020 19:29

Here is the old thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3813759-AIBU-to-ask-you-if-you-are-worried-about-the-new-Coronavirus?pg=40

Here is a twitter video from Wuhan I want to share because it so heartbreaking. People happily celebrating shortly before it became known that there was a virus outbreak. There already were some rumors but people didn’t believe them:
twitter.com/WLaowai8/status/1225637845508837377

@Yourtunbridgewells: The info you are sharing (472000 deaths in the UK) is very scary. Is this a worst case scenario.

@justdeckingthehalls: Epidemiologist Eric Feigl-Ding writes that it is airborne on twitter: twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1226236552059260928
N95 masks help against airborne transmission don’t they?

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LittleRen · 12/02/2020 19:02

They need to just ban anyone who has been to China from entering the UK, apart from nationals who should isolate. I understood why they weren’t doing it as it makes relations difficult with China but the fact it’s in London says otherwise now.

WaterSheep · 12/02/2020 19:11

A little more information about the newest confirmed case from London

One further patient in England has tested positive for novel coronavirus (COVID-19), bringing the total number of cases in the UK to nine. This virus was passed on in China and the patient has now been transferred to a specialist NHS centre at Guy’s and St Thomas’ in London.

LittleRen · 12/02/2020 19:18

She only arrived in the UK a few days ago... Chinese National.

justdeckingthehalls1 · 12/02/2020 19:23

Are people deliberately flying to the U.K. to seek medical care do you think? The BBC suggest she literally phoned 111 from the airport to report her symptoms

meredithgrey1 · 12/02/2020 19:25

Are people deliberately flying to the U.K. to seek medical care do you think? The BBC suggest she literally phoned 111 from the airport to report her symptoms

She may live in the UK.

WaterSheep · 12/02/2020 19:26

The BBC suggest she literally phoned 111 from the airport to report her symptoms

This is rather worrying. If she did phone them upon landing, then surely she knew she was potentially contagious when she boarded the flight. Shock

meredithgrey1 · 12/02/2020 19:29

Are people deliberately flying to the U.K. to seek medical care do you think? The BBC suggest she literally phoned 111 from the airport to report her symptoms

The bbc says "Sources say she developed symptoms after landing at Heathrow, called NHS 111 and then tested positive." So it's not clear where she called from.

EnidBlyton · 12/02/2020 19:32

what about all the people on the plane with her?
how worrying

RapidRainbow · 12/02/2020 19:39

The BBC reports 1,750 tests in the UK have come back negative. 9 in total positive as of this evening.

I'm getting more and more anxious But those stats are not terrible are they?! I do wish they'd put a bloody ban on people flying in who have been in China though. That's the only way to stop it in its tracks.

Originalyellowbelly · 12/02/2020 19:44

I was just beginning to feel it was under control in this country, this could just be a disaster starting. Its not only the people living in London that could be affected but many others from all over the country travel to London every day.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2020 19:47

The prisoners have had the all clear according to the Guardian

Very unsurprised. I really don't know why the case was seriously considered as much as it was.

Balance of probablities and risk factors.

GothMummy · 12/02/2020 19:54

I'm very sorry for the lady who has just tested positive in London but perhaps this means flights from China will be reduced from now? ?

Ciwirocks · 12/02/2020 19:56

I think it’s highly likely that woman knew she was unwell when she got on the plane, if not it’s some coincidence that she felt unwell the minute she landed here. Now she has potentially infected a plane full of people. I have heard of at least 3 people in my local area being taken to hospital today in an ambulance with paramedics in hazmat suits, yes they could be negative but it’s worrying to hear that happening close to home.

justdeckingthehalls1 · 12/02/2020 19:57

Where about a are you Ciwi?

covetingthepreciousthings · 12/02/2020 20:26

This is rather worrying. If she did phone them upon landing, then surely she knew she was potentially contagious when she boarded the flight*

It's to be hoped that they are contacting the other passengers and flight crew.

I hope they start banning flights in from the worst affected countries now.

Ciwirocks · 12/02/2020 20:29

North West England, no confirmed cases here yet. Still hoping they were false alarms.

NoSharon · 12/02/2020 20:34

A flight with stopovers from China could take up to 24 hours I think, so it's possible she was actually fine on takeoff. Probably became unwell on the final leg of the journey?

NoSharon · 12/02/2020 20:36

Are people deliberately flying to the U.K. to seek medical care do you think? The BBC suggest she literally phoned 111 from the airport to report her symptoms

I very much doubt you'd manage to get a VISA organised on short notice to come to the UK to escape Coronavirus!

covetingthepreciousthings · 12/02/2020 20:36

Has there been any updates about that hoo ha that was going on in Port Talbot?

notimagain · 12/02/2020 20:36

At the risk of appearing controversial (again) I'm not sure how effective a ban on flights from effected countries (define?) to the UK would be...

For sure, you can ban direct flights from China/Thailand/Singapore/Hong Kong etc, but lots of people connect from Asia into Europe and the UK via, for example, Moscow/ Dubhai/Mumbai/Delhi and heaven knows where else.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2020 20:50

Re Stopping flights from China.

The US appears, unlike the UK, to be testing arrivals. So far out of 30,000 travellers, they haven't had a single positive test.

www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/12/c60c3606-4d21-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
Washington Post Live Updates.

7:30 p.m.
CDC has found no coronavirus cases since airport screening began a month ago

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has screened over 30,000 travelers from China since mid-January, and no confirmed coronavirus cases have been identified, a top official said Wednesday.

U.S. airport screening began Jan. 17 and expanded more than two weeks ago to all travelers from China to 11 U.S. airports.

“We have not detected any cases from returning travelers from China,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. The number of confirmed cases in the United States remains at 13, most of them travelers returning from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

In a briefing with reporters, Messonnier also said test kits that CDC sent to state and local public health labs last week were producing “inconclusive results” during practice runs. “Some states were getting inconclusive results — not as false positives or false negatives — and not on actual clinical specimens,” she said.

Scott Becker, executive director of the Association of Public Health Laboratories, said about 25 states had flagged the problem and notified CDC immediately. CDC determined that one component of the kit was not performing “as it should,” Messonnier said. The agency is remaking that component and will send the new ones back to the labs. In the meantime, testing for covid-19 will continue at CDC headquarters in Atlanta.

As soon as CDC realized there was a problem with a component in the test kit, it did not send any of the kits to international labs, officials said.

Once the labs perform their quality control and verification procedures, states will be able to start testing patients, Becker said, a delay that may be a few days to a week.

This DOES suggest the risk from flights into the UK remains very low, despite the news today.

I think the case today has two scenarios:

  1. She knew she might have the disease before travelling, but was so scared of being treated in China, she took the risk (to her health and to fellow passengers) to travel anyway. Now that possibly says a lot about human rights in China and how afraid people are of being forceably quarantined there.

That might lead to the disease spreading in its own right as people conceal their symptons and either hide from the state or try to flee the country.

  1. She geninuely wasn't taken ill until she travelled, and upon arrival in the UK she did absoluetely everything right and went completely by the advice being given out. This is very encouraging, to know that she behaved as responsibly as possible under the circumstances.

I note here that China is testing the body temperature of its citizens at various check points including at airports, so this might suggest she wasn't displaying symptoms before she left China, rather than her travelling to the UK and deliberately exposing other passengers.

My point being, that I think that calls to shut down all flights from China appear, on the face of it, to possibly be more political and out of fear than based on a high level of risk. And that I tend to lean towards this woman being genuine rather than fitting the Daily Mail Narrative of being a potential health tourist which I'm sure she will be painted as.

I hope that does, at least, offer a little more reassurance to people worried about flights coming into the uk or flying themselves (particularly if they are not going to an Asian destination). It does NOT, at present, appear to fall into the high risk catergory.

This is perhaps the reason that the flights haven't been stopped altogether to the UK...

Jenasaurus · 12/02/2020 20:53

its not just the crew on the plane and the passengers on the plane, what about the people at the airport, customs, people, security if she got patted down etc..maybe she popped into a shop to buy some reading material or had a coffee in an airport lounge, then her luggage would be handled by loaders etc, did she pop into the toilets at the airport before or after the flight, get a cab from the airport or public transport..there is more than just a planeful of passengers to track down. Its got a lot more scary since the super spreader who was asymptomatic and infected 11 people.

RedToothBrush · 12/02/2020 20:57

inews.co.uk/news/politics/coronavirus-in-the-uk-serious-imminent-threat-powers-1556403
Coronavirus in the UK: 'Serious and imminent threat' powers to contain killer virus will be in place for two years
Exclusive: Claims that councils are not getting enough information as senior peer warns world is on the 'knife-edge of a pandemic'

The new regulations introduced earlier this week, which stated that the virus is a “serious and imminent threat to public health” in the UK, were introduced to stop an individual absconding from an isolation facility on Merseyside.

But a minister has told the House of Lords that the powers will be in place for two years, and did not rule out the possibility of the Government imposing even more draconian measures if the outbreak worsened.

and

Baroness Blackwood, the health minister in the Lords, told peers the regulations for coronavirus “will be in force for two years and will be triggered only in the instance of a serious or imminent threat to public health by a person not complying with public heath advice and therefore putting themselves and/or others at risk”.

bobbiester · 12/02/2020 20:58

The US appears, unlike the UK, to be testing arrivals. So far out of 30,000 travellers, they haven't had a single positive test.

The US are NOT doing lab tests on all arriving travellers - they certainly have not carried out lab tests on 30,000 travellers.

They have just been checking for fever / symptoms on arrival.

meredithgrey1 · 12/02/2020 20:59

Its got a lot more scary since the super spreader who was asymptomatic and infected 11 people

I agree that someone asymptomatic spreading it is worrying but on the flip side, the two patients in York were diagnosed nearly two weeks ago now and there have been no other confirmed cases connected to them which is reassuring.

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