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Am I being accused of abuse? Should I take my child out of this nursery? Honest opinions!

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SilverGlitterSparkle · 09/02/2020 15:45

My daughter is 4 and has been going to this nursery since she was 3. Due to start school in September this year. I picked up my daughter on Friday like usual but was in a rush because I had a cab waiting outside and the clock was running. I went to walk out of the door and ‘kirsty’ a nursery worker asked if I could have a chat. She told me that ‘Katie’ the higher up nursery worker had asked her to question me about the bruise on my daughters nose. I looked down at my daughter and saw no bruise. I said “what bruise? there’s nothing there!”
She pulled her into the light and there was the tiniest little bruise so minute and small that I hadn’t even noticed it. I asked my daughter in front of Kirsty. I said “how did you hurt your nose? ” and she replied “I went down the stairs and into the front room and banged it.” I said “what did you bang it on” and she said “the wall.” I said how that was strange because I’d of known if she had done that and she hasn’t mentioned hurting her nose once to me. Kirsty then said to me “can you try get it out of her over the weekend.” At the time I thought nothing of it but now I realise that’s quite an odd remark to say as if she’s hiding something and not being honest. Anyway on the way home in the cab I asked again and she said the exact same thing about hurting it on the wall. When we got home I had realised we had been to my sisters the day before and she was playing with my niece and nephew so I thought maybe she had done it while playing with them. I then asked her once more what she did to her nose. She said the same thing so I then said “and did this happen at mummies house or aunties house?” And she replied “no silly I did it at nursery”. I rang the nursery straight back and asked for Kirsty and told her what she’d said and Kirsty said someone at them nursery would have known so it definitely wasn’t done at nursery. My first thought was to ring my sister because I was quite angry and without sounding patronising my sister has been working in a nursery for a lot longer than all the girls who work in my nursery put together. She then asked me to send a picture of her nose. The first picture she couldn’t see any bruise so I sent another one really close up. She said “that is hardly noticeable and you really have to look closely to even notice a tiny bruise” and she said they have stepped way over the mark and taken safe guarding way over the topthis time. I feel victimised and quite angry and my only thought is to take her out of the nursery and put her into another for the next 6 months and if I can’t find one then take her to lots of fun places etc. Can I please have honest opinions I’m so upset and don’t feel like this is normal practice. The way she told me to try and get it out of her just makes me feel uncomfortable with the whole situation!

OP posts:
Gamble66 · 09/02/2020 16:21

Don't say it made you angry ffs - say how it was handled and the 'get it out of her' made you concerned and that you felt it was ott. Then get a grip in the nicest way possible.

SilverGlitterSparkle · 09/02/2020 16:22

If I asked my daughter in front of her face and she gave an answer then what right does the worker have to tell me to try and get it out of her over the weekend?

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PuzzledObserver · 09/02/2020 16:23

Whoever said “try to get it out of her” needs to go Ona safeguarding refresher course. One of the cardinal rules is not to ask leading questions or pressure children in any way.

SilverGlitterSparkle · 09/02/2020 16:27

Totally agree PuzzledObserver

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SilverGlitterSparkle · 09/02/2020 16:27

Thank you! More points I shall be bringing up.

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Unsureconfused46 · 09/02/2020 16:28

You're over thinking. Continue to take her to nursery as normal.

BlackCatSleeping · 09/02/2020 16:28

I also think you are massively over-reacting. I'm sure she didn't mean anything by the comment at all. Just draw a line under it and move on.

ladybee28 · 09/02/2020 16:28

Safeguarding is fine but not to the point you’re making a mother feel like a child abuser

Holy oatcakes, what did they do?!

A staff member asked what happened to her nose, and then asked you to try to get to the bottom of it because you didn't believe your daughter's explanation...

The only drama here is in asking your daughter over and over, and then getting your sister in on it, and then planning to change nurseries. If you just look at the facts of what happened there's very little to be concerned about.

They weren't satisfied with the answer she provided, that's the bit that's extremely unprofessional@Mummyzzz044, OP says it was HER who didn't believe her daughter's explanation, not the nursery staff.

caramellasagne · 09/02/2020 16:29

I was in the kitchen once doing some cooking and rushing as I turned round I sort of swung my arm out to shut the fridge just as ds then 4 ran in and I scratched the middle of his face because he was running it was forceful and I had a string of skin under my nail it was awful!
The next day at pre school as his key worker said hello she did oh what happened as I was waking out
He said ‘mummy hit my face and scratched it’ nobody said anything to me about it which I found really odd !!

vdbfamily · 09/02/2020 16:30

I think someone has done their safeguarding training and remembered the but where facial bruises on immobile babies are very suspicious as it is hard for an immobile baby to bruise themselves. They have probably not realised that as a baby becomes a toddler there are numerous ways they can bruise themselves so not quite so worrying. I would agree this had not been handled well.

EverythingChanges321 · 09/02/2020 16:36

YABU.

I say this not because you’re upset with the nursery (I can understand why) but because by moving your daughter, you’re running away from dealing with an uncomfortable situation.

Your daughter is only 4.
There’s going to be many many more times in the future when you will encounter a difficult issue with another child, a teacher, a parent etc. and you need to be willing to deal with it directly, no matter how uncomfortable that makes you feel.

You haven’t been referred to social services so you’ve already over dramatised the situation in your mind by 1000%.

Go back in tomorrow and speak calmly to the staff, express your disquiet about their interrogation of you regarding the non bruise and then once you’re happy it’s been dealt with satisfactorily, forget about it.

Just don’t run away from dealing with it otherwise, next time there’s an issue, your molehill will become a mountain.

Thefaceofboe · 09/02/2020 16:41

I think you are over reacting and panicking. That is standard protocol in a nursery to ask where it came from. Be grateful they are doing their job x

Branleuse · 09/02/2020 16:47

youre overthinking it tbh, although im sure it does make people feel defensive. Its better that theyre overcautious than under. They dont know you from adam. They have to question bruises.
Id just repeat to them that she says it was at nursery and youre inclined to believe her, but youre happy to not take it any further as of course accidents happen

saraclara · 09/02/2020 16:50

The angrier and more difficult you get with them, the more suspicious they'll be. You world be a fool to turn it into a big deal.

I appreciate that is worrying to be suspected of something, and the member of staff clearly didn't handle things well. But if you go on at them the way you are threatening to on here, it will be a huge red flag.

Sockmonster23 · 09/02/2020 16:52

Not sure what to say. I picked up my son from nursery once and he had a red mark. They never said anything and to be honest neither did I as I know my son is livewire.

I understand safeguarding so it's hard and I guess they are erring on side of precaution

ethelfleda · 09/02/2020 16:52

Gosh, DS’ nursery asked me about grazes on his knees the other day! I said that he did them at nursery because he hasn’t fallen on his knees recently in our care. I thought nothing of it!
DS is 2 and a half, he is going to suffer a few bumps and bruises in his toddlerhood I’m sure!

SquashedOrange · 09/02/2020 16:57

I think you to calm down.

I personally wouldn't bring it up again, but if they ask you just say you don't think she knows what she's done (because clearly she doesn't!) and leave it at that.

iano · 09/02/2020 16:59

Op you are overthinking this. They didn't notice it when you dropped her off so it may well have happened there. No need to feel like they are attacking you.
My DS's key worker once asked me where he got the bruise on his head and in the same breath told me I must always tell her if he has had an accident at home. I laughed and pointed out that another nursery worker made me sign an incident report the evening before because he had banged his head there.
She was rather embarrassed. I think they are really pushed to ask questions and it can lead to these awkward situations. Don't take it to heart

Seetheprettysnowdrops · 09/02/2020 16:59

What an overreaction

They have to ask, and I'm glad that staff do this.

All the added on drama is just nonsense. Just because your sister works in a nursery doesn't mean she is the expert in all things related to safeguarding

BestOption · 09/02/2020 16:59

‘Kirsty’ needs some training and to look fir the sense she was born with!

‘Katie’ needs to supervise or do these things herself.

Safe guarding doesn’t over rule common fucking sense!

A tiny bruise on a child’s nose that can barely be seen - for the love of fuck - is not something you need to ‘get out of her over the weekend’

BlueMoon1103 · 09/02/2020 17:01

You and the nursery are over reacting. A bruise that your DD explained many times, no one should think any more of it.

messolini9 · 09/02/2020 17:02

The nursery are being a bit dim with this:
I rang the nursery straight back and asked for Kirsty and told her what she’d said and Kirsty said someone at them nursery would have known so it definitely wasn’t done at nursery.

Because equally, someone at home would have known, so it definitely wasn't done at home.

'Kirsty's' remark “can you try get it out of her over the weekend.” is odd, especially as DD now maintains she gave herself the minor bruise at nursery - but I think you should breeze past this & not overthink it OP.

icansmellburningleaves · 09/02/2020 17:08

They have a duty to ask. For those saying their kids have been to nursery with bruises on their legs and never been questioned, a leg bruise is much more common than a bruise on the nose of a child. You should be grateful that they’ve spotted something which you haven’t. It shows they’re on the ball.

FoamingAtTheUterus · 09/02/2020 17:10

Sounds like the nursery worker is covering her tracks to me and she did it whilst under her care. 💁🏻‍♀️

TellMeWhoTheVilliansAre · 09/02/2020 17:11

They are not accusing you to f abusing your child. If they were they would not ask you to "try get it out of her" over the weekend. If you were the one abusing her, then you'd know exactly what happened her and they wouldn't expect you to try get anything out of her.

They think someone/something else caused the bruise and are asking you to talk to her and see what she tells you. Maybe another child threw a toy at her and it hit her on the nose. Maybe she's afraid of the child and doesn't want to say it in nursery.
Maybe her and a friend bumped into each other running.
Maybe a book fell off a shelf and hit her on the nose.
Maybe they suspect dyspraxia.
Maybe her cousin did something.
Maybe her aunt did something.
Maybe a neighbour did something.

The nursery have so many maybes and from what they have said, I don't think you're one of the maybes!

It seems like an overreaction on the part of the nursery to a miniscule bruise on a child's nose. But it also seems like an overreaction on your part to withdraw your child.

Just talk to the nursery. Try get it out of your daughter how exactly she bumped her nose off a wall (it would be quite a difficult thing to do if normally going about your business!). Then tell the nursery what you found out and tell them you'll keep an eye on her at home, and if they notice anything unusual at nursery to let you know.

There is no need to go nuclear.

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