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Sorry, another Philip Schofield one...

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UnaCorda · 08/02/2020 20:20

I really couldn't care less about Philip Schofield's sexuality (or anyone else's) and good for him for finally being true to himself. But what makes me quite cross is all this talk of honesty and bravery, and the self-indulgent, tortured confessional in front of the nation when really it's of no importance to anyone who doesn't know him personally.

In the clip of his chat with Holly he asks repeatedly, "When is the right time?" In my opinion, the right time is before you get married to someone who believes you are straight. It's not brave, or honest, to make someone unwittingly provide you with the benefits of a heterosexual relationship, including children, so you can be viewed by the public as a "respectable family man". It's actually rather selfish.

I had a brief relationship with someone who I later discovered was gay. He didn't even have the balls to tell me directly, and it seriously screwed me up for a long time. I can't imagine what it must be like to find out your husband of 27 years is homosexual.

I'm not gay, so perhaps I am being unreasonable as I don't know what it is like to come out to friends and family (although I imagine it is easier now than it was thirty years ago) and I don't know whether PS really believed that he was in love with his wife when they got married. But I do think that leaving a duplicitous life which affects other people is not a kind or honourable thing to do and I feel very sorry for his wife and daughters who I think really have been brave.

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dustibooks · 08/02/2020 21:09

I know somebody who was in his late 50's and a grandfather by the time the truth finally dawned on him (or he allowed himself to even think about the possibility) that he was gay. For some people it is a long slow burn and their emotions and feelings begin to change over a considerable period of time.

Not saying that this is a similar case, but who knows?

SpinneyHill · 08/02/2020 21:09

The rumour now is that he didnt get on with his colleagues because of his relationship with a young man on This Morning.
Young being another important word.

But at the moment it's all just rumours and Phillip did do crying so he must be telling the truth about not wanting to hurt his family, else he's just following the traditional route of 'get your misery in about hurting her before she tells anyone what you did' ... Phils far too nice for that.

There was even an advert about how nice he is.

SarahAndQuack · 08/02/2020 21:10

@lizziesiddal - forgive me, I've not seen an actual source on that. I know there are lots of rumours.

I think if he was having gay relationships during his marriage, that confirms he is a really nasty person.

But it doesn't excuse people insisting that you can't be confused about your sexuality in general, which is a thing that really bothers me in all of these many threads.

BeyondReasonablyDoubtsLots · 08/02/2020 21:10

Well if the person he allegedly was in a relationship with is correct, you can see why he didn’t come out 27 years ago - he hadn’t yet been born Hmm

Looobyloo · 08/02/2020 21:11

@mindproject I'm sure plenty go to their graves lying to those around them and themselves.

I'm honestly stunned at the lack of understanding to coming out. There are those amazingly strong people who dont give a shit what others think, then there are those many, who do.

My cousin came out 10 yrs ago, her brother was vile.
When my brother came out noone batted an eyelid.
My friend still hasn't admitted to a lot of her friends that her son is gay as her husband is struggling to accept it.

All different scenarios but it ain't easy.

AriadnesFilament · 08/02/2020 21:11

So you weren’t gay for 35 years then? Or does that make you bi sexual if you’ve had happy straight relationships for 35 years? Makes zero sense.

That’s really offensive

CantSayJack · 08/02/2020 21:13

YANBU

As usual the women involved in this debacle, his wife and daughters, have been cast aside as if they don’t matter. All he cares about is himself and his ego which has been battered of late.
Imagine if he left his wife of 27 years for another woman, do you think the public would be so adoring then and calling him brave? Yet because he wants to be with men, in this PC world that’s classed as “brave”.
Smug twat, hope it all comes crashing down on him.

LizzieSiddal · 08/02/2020 21:15

But it doesn't excuse people insisting that you can't be confused about your sexuality in general, which is a thing that really bothers me in all of these many threads.

I just hope that those confused about their sexuality, have the decency to tell their partners, at a very early stage of any relationship.

Kirkman · 08/02/2020 21:16

It's not difficult to empathise after having the experience I described.

How can you empathise when you know nothing about the details or how she feels?

Absolutepowercorrupts · 08/02/2020 21:18

It makes no difference to me if Philip Schofield is gay. Presumably it makes a difference to his wife. As his wife, children and wider family all knew about his sexuality. Why did he feel the need to make an announcement on a national tv show?
As pp have said it really does smack of total self indulgence.

MissClareRemembers · 08/02/2020 21:18

My immediate thought was that his hand was forced and an expose was/is in the offing.

The on screen sob story has done his reputation a power of good and was compounded by wheeling Ruth and Eamon on to comfort him. Genius move: there can’t be any further Ruth-Rift Rumours without someone screaming homophobia.

He probably has a powerful PR machine behind him and he knows exactly what he’s doing.

He’s gay. Fine. End of. But the hand-wringing, woe-is-me is cringeworthy.

My FB feed was full of rainbows and ‘isn’t he brave posts’. Twaddle.

Let’s hope it all quietens down soon and all involved move forward.

SunburstsOrMarbleHalls · 08/02/2020 21:19

If PS knew about his sexuality 27 years ago then I really hope that Steph also knew and married him with full position of the facts. If his sexuality is a more recent realisation/discovery then I hope PS, his wife and children have all had sufficient time to fully process the situation and gain any support needed before his public announcement. If he was threatened with blackmail then that might not be the case and would be a truly awful situation.

I am suspicious of the timing of the announcement given his public image taking a recent bashing after the bullying claims but equally glad that PS can live his life as he wishes. I do hope that if any formal complaints have been raised about his professional behaviour towards colleagues then they are fully investigated as this has nothing to do with him being gay.

If any people are struggling with similar issues and find strength in the positive support he has received then that is a very good thing. A part of me find it incredible sad that in 2020 a person coming out is front page news given all that is currently going on in the world although I appreciate his 27 year marriage and high profile raises inevitable interest.

There is a very distasteful Spitting Image sketch from 1992 that has now resurfaced that blatantly is suggesting that PS's sexuality was an open secret that PS and another high profile celebrity (at that time) were gay.

UnaCorda · 08/02/2020 21:22

Oscar Wilde was married with children; whatever you think of the morality of cheating on your wife, he seems to have thought it was a happy marriage.

I don't suppose his wife was terribly happy that he spent two years in prison for gross indecency shortly before she died.

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FudgeBrownie2019 · 08/02/2020 21:22

Yesterday's announcement just smelled like damage limitation. And I know that's cynical, but in the current situation it's probably the truth.

I hope his Wife and DC can find their way through this without too much pain. Because it's fine being a nations sweetheart and announcing you're gay - it should have no more bearing on someone than being tall or short, to be honest, but to have been married to someone for 27 years before they knew they were gay must be hard no matter the details, no matter how gracious the announcement. And for them I feel nothing but sympathy.

BeyondReasonablyDoubtsLots · 08/02/2020 21:22

I have very similar background to you, youca. Tell you what though, I never had a “coming out” a la PS at all, never mind before separating from my XH - I wonder if it’s something I should do now...? Better late than never Wink

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chomalungma · 08/02/2020 21:23

I wonder how many people on MN are lying to themselves about their relationship, staying in it for the sake of the children, have tried to conform to what is expected but wish they could be themselves for their mental health?

No one knows how people feel. No one knows the relationship they had.

Life is too complex to be solved with simple AIBU / AINBU votes.

Poppinjay · 08/02/2020 21:24

He chose to marry someone and betray them from the very beginning. He chose to make vows he couldn’t uphold.

We have no idea whether this is correct or not.

Coming out when you know people will throw the kind of shit written on this thread at you does take courage. Nobody should have to 'come out'. He will have known that there would be a big reaction and that he needed to manage it. That shouldn't have been the case.

Who anyone find sexually attractive shouldn't be anybody's business but theirs and their partners'. What happened between him and his wife isnt something anyone should be speculating on, never mind condemning him for what they think might have happened.

As for the people who reckon they can tell who someone finds sexually attractive just by looking at how they present daytime tv programmes.....

LisBethSalander07 · 08/02/2020 21:24

I just feel very sorry for a lady who was probably so in love with someone that she married them anyway knowing something wasn't quite right, and has stayed for 27 years. She's given him the best years of her life. That's a deep deep love, to be able to do that.

I don't think that's brave, I think that's fucking cruel.

I also think there is a massive story waiting to come out..... wouldn't be surprised if it's not very savoury, either.

SlapItOn · 08/02/2020 21:26

Having extra marital affairs is a shitty thing to do, regardless of whether you’re having them with a man or woman. It’s naive to think he’s been faithful to his wife up until this point. I can only hope she was aware of what was going on and had her own reasons for staying. Otherwise he’s just a massive knob.

A gushing interview with your best mate on national TV to garner sympathy for yourself, is not brave, it’s a self-indulgent publicity stunt whether you’re gay, straight or anything in between.

ForgottenWhyImHere · 08/02/2020 21:26

For anyone in the wife's situation in this sorry sorry... Here are the contact details of a fabulous support group for the straight partners (male or female) of people who come out as bi, gay or trans.

Email: [email protected]

Or visit the website: straightpartnersanonymous.com/ (SPA)

Tellingitlikeitisnt · 08/02/2020 21:26

If he had split from his wife and then announced this it would be well so what really? You do you Pip.
It’s the fact he is making a huge revelation and discussing whether he will have a new relationship whilst he is still married. And papering over that with a few soft focus comments about how wonderful and accepting his wife is.

Why not separate first? And if they are not going to separate then why would he have allowed Holly to ask about a new relationship and been all giggly school girl face when she asked him? And in fact if they aren’t gong to separate then why the announcement at all?

Unless he was about to outed for extra marital affairs? Assume he thinks this will make that news somehow acceptable as we now know he has been having inner turmoil and battle and so will forgive him some little indiscretions?

Dontsweatthelittlestuff · 08/02/2020 21:28

The rumours of PS being gay have been around for years. I remember back in his Joseph days of rumours about him and Jason Donovan.

I think it is very unlikely that he has just come to terms with his sexuality after years of heart searching but is an actively gay man who has just come out before being outed.

I think a few skeletons are going to be coming out of the closet in the next few weeks and PS and the BBC are trying to get public sympathy before we all find out what a sleezebags he really is.

Linning · 08/02/2020 21:28

YABVU, I am in my 20’s gay and it still took me 19 years to accept and embrace my sexuality despite living in a place where being gay would have little (saying zero is a lie) repercussion to my life.

Coming out is a MASSIVE thing, teens still get kicked out of their house for it or sent to conversion camp (in the US), you can still lose friends and family, you can still be assaulted or raped for it, it’s not THAT easy.

Internal homophobia is a massive thing and the brain can do wonderful things, including burying your actual feelings and who you really are.

Technically I always knew I was different, but it’s only in insight now and putting every little thing together that I can tell “yes, I guess I have always been gay.” But it wasn’t always like that. Growing up I just knew I wasn’t excited about men the way my friends were but that didn’t really worry me, I figured they were acting more excited than they felt, I also figured I would meet someone eventually. I also noticed that I would notice girls more and that I enjoyed lesbian encounters in media a bit too much but my brain always had good excuses for all those reactions, never did it come to the conclusion that I was gay. I even had sex with a girl first, at 13, and even then my brain justified it as “ you liked it because of what was done to you not because it was a girl and you would feel the same with a guy”, when I had my first real crush on a girl at 18, my brain just justified it by thinking that she was an exception or that I mostly wanted to be her rather than be with her.

In the meantime I didn’t want to be gay so badly that I convinced myself I was straight. And for a while I genuinely believed it. I even felt attraction to guys for a bit, which would always fade as soon as we would get intimate (and yes the thought of dating them and waking up to them everyday wasn’t appealing in the least) but I had NO clue what being straight was like. It’s only now I live openly as a gay woman that I know that I never actually liked men the way I do women but at the time that was the closest to liking men I had ever felt in my life and how could I have known that my feelings weren’t to the same intensity straight women felt? All I ever heard from straight women was complaints about men and how majoritarily crap they are in bed and yada yada so sex not being great (and me wondering if it would be better with a woman) didn’t make me feel like it was a me problem. I have met plenty of men who would make really good /husbands/father and it would have been easy to settle for them and not think I was misleading them. It’s easy to mistake strong friendship and strong love and appreciation you have for a friend for love when it’s the strongest thing you have ever felt for someone of the opposite sex and you are looking to feel something for them (because society tells you, you should).

It’s also not that hard to brush off gay feelings and attraction, until one day (like is happening for him) you can’t not acknowledge them anymore. I am sure during my “straight” years, I saw plenty of attractive women but I was only confronted by my sexuality when I developed crushes on specific women and it only took me two of them (at 18 and 19) to come out, but had I not met those girls I am pretty positive I would still identify as straight. In fact for the first 4 years of my coming out I identified as bisexual, because it is SO hard to accept to give up on heteronormativity it’s also confusing to identify as gay when you thought you had liked men.

When I came out I mostly received positivity but I still had friends acting weird, comments from family members opposing to gay people having children, guys harassing me for being gay and sometimes telling me they would “cure” me.

I don’t think it’s fair for someone who knows is gay to marry someone of the opposite sex without letting them know. But it’s not as easy as assuming that everyone who come out after a marriage always knew they were gay and were being deceiving sometimes it’s their own brain deceiving THEM until 20 years and 2 kids down the line they wake up realizing they actually are gay and stuck in a marriage they can’t fulfill. It can’t be easy for the wife/husband but it’s bloody
brave to admit you have done a mistake and make the hard choice to decide to break a family apart instead of doing the coward thing of staying, it is HARD to take that step of telling your spouse you are gay and having to risk losing your children and knowing you will hurt all of them no matter what. It’s brave to want to give the spouse a chance to find real love where they will be loved truly and instead of staying with them to keep the peace.

It might seems like it’s selfish but it’s pretty brave to look someone you love in the eye and tell them something you know will hurt them but need to know when the solution could be to stay silent.

Plenty of spouse also knew, deep down, that their spouse was gay, some still chose to stay when they find out because they have real love for their partner and don’t mind them being gay (not that it doesn’t hurt them). Things like that aren’t black and white, he had two kids with her so obviously he was having sex with her so I doubt it’s as simple as him knowing since before the marriage and betraying her. He said himself that’s it’s only semi-recently that it started consuming him from inside and personally it wasn’t until it started consuming me (and it took 19 years!) that I genuinely stopped to think and acknowledge I am gay.

If you are straight you CANNOT potentially understand, so don’t judge and just be grateful you never had to go through it.

SummersMahoosiveClipOnFringe · 08/02/2020 21:30

I suspect someone was going to bubble him up so it was a damage limitation offering.

Otherwise he could have quietly separated/divorced and cracked on with his private life.

No need for all the fuss....

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