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Michael Barrymore

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ChairsAndStairs · 06/02/2020 21:29

I’ve always wondered why his career was so badly damaged by what happened at his house.

It was awful that a man died, but he was never found guilty and it was never proved that he was in any way involved - as far as I remember.

He was so popular before and had a really strong career. AIBU to wonder why people turned against him so quickly?

I don’t mean this to be a goady thread, just generally wondering why he was the ‘only’ fall guy for what happened.

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ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/02/2020 11:39

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Two pathologists refer to how he was restrained. They refer to signs of him being forcibly restrained and to injuries consistent with strangulation. It’s possible the attacker felt the need to restrain him whilst he was totally unconscious to the point of causing blood vessels in his face to break. What do you think is most likely.

Pulpfiction1 · 07/02/2020 11:40

that’s a good point. I doubt it was a one off either. There must be other people out there with experience of Barrymore’s ‘parties’.

This is my thinking. From what Stewarts brother said in the doc, Barrymore picked Stewart out at the club. He then force fed him drugs. I think they planned to drug and rape him from when they met in the club. I think they've done it before. Maybe other victims haven't come forward due to the stigma of male rape. Maybe the women are there to attract straight men or make the party more appealing for them. Maybe the women knew that was why they were there and that's why they don't talk.

ItsAllTheDramaMickIJustLoveIt · 07/02/2020 11:42

I think trying to put the blame for Stuart Lubbock’s injuries squarely on hospital staff without any thought for distress this might cause the poor man’s family, having to listen to it all being raked over again while the hospital quite rightly defend themselves against allegations, shows exactly what sort of person MB is without taking into account the other awful behaviour.

I’m watching the doc now as it happens while I sort through laundry and stuff. What gets me is how aggressive MB is in clips from his shows even when he’s larking about he’s really physical. Maybe that’s one reason I didn’t like him even as a kid- he made me uncomfortable then too.

Stuart’s poor family, all of them. To lose your son/brother/friend in these circumstances, never know the whole truth or get justice and then on top of that, have some narcissistic bastard constantly make their death about how hard it makes his life with no thought for anyone else... how can you ever get over it?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/02/2020 11:48

How on Earth was that Crime scene left so open to contamination?

It's been said that it was assumed to be a "normal" drowning death - as in drunk guy falls in pool and dies IYSWIM - rather than an actual crime scene, so at the time there seemed no reason to seal the site?

MarthasGinYard · 07/02/2020 12:02

I just presumed as an unexplained death had occurred everything would have been sealed off immediately even if the presumption was a drowning. Surely that by its own nature would be suspicious in a pool. Let alone one with the 'party' scene.

MarthasGinYard · 07/02/2020 12:03

I see what you are saying though

loobyloo1234 · 07/02/2020 12:03

I haven't watched the documentary - I will. For those that watched it, did the police not do enough at the crime scene to start with?

I don't understand how things could have been taken by MB assistant? Why hadn't the police taken all of these things to bag up already?

MB without a doubt knows what happened. And for that reason alone, he should never be on TV again. How does he sleep at night?

SouthWestmom · 07/02/2020 12:03

Yes to the being really physical - he sort of physically forces himself on people 'in jest' I can't imagine now that amount of physical contact being acceptable. That woman he forces back down and climbs on top of - there's a really sinister edge to it all

Biancadelrioisback · 07/02/2020 12:04

I've learnt a lot today. I vaguely remember this happening and I had thought it was a big house party and a guy had drowned (I presumed he was drunk and got under the pool cover or something. I did not know about any of the above. I looked in Wiki and it says it was confirmed he died from drowning? And apparently the anal injuries were only 4 hours old even though he had died 12 hours before or something

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 07/02/2020 12:07

He wasn't confirmed dead until later on in hospital, after unsuccessful resuscitation.

Leaving time for a clean up.

ILoveYou3000 · 07/02/2020 12:11

He arrived back at Barrymore's house at 2:47am, he was pronounced dead at 8:23 and the initial autopsy took place at around 4pm that afternoon. The initial pathologist ruled it a drowning due to fluid in the airways and heavy lungs. Three subsequent pathologists said there was no evidence of drowning, one of whom was an expert in drowning.

SentimentalKiller · 07/02/2020 12:14

I always though MB was a horrible man. I saw one of his shows where he was taking the piss out of a larger lady on the front row and trying to pull her T shirt up
A man was likely gang raped and killed at his house with a small number of people present. All have kept quiet
IMO they should all be behind bars. Save yoyr sympathy for the victim op

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/02/2020 12:15

I just presumed as an unexplained death had occurred everything would have been sealed off immediately even if the presumption was a drowning

So did I, Martha, but I was repeating what the investigators were reported to have said rather than actually believing it if that makes sense?

For all I know they might be making excuses for what they now realise was a ghastly mistake ...

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 12:23

Just watched this and myself and dp haven’t stopped talking about it. I really think Barrymore was involved, probably not alone, but witnesses saw him rubbing cocaine on Stuart’s gums. He 100% knows what went on, and saying he thought it was hospital staff, then being caused by dive bombing, then at the end it said he could have fallen and banged his arse on the pool edge Hmm

Why did the first pathologist rule drowning but the rest didn’t? Also, he had horrific injuries, with one of the pathologists saying there was blood all over the sheet he was wrapped in. Would the ambulance not have noticed blood everywhere or would it only have happened when he was laid down for the post Mortem (dps explanation.)

He’s guilty and I hope someone tells his poor dad the truth, what an awful way to die.

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 12:34

Just been reading online that they nearly put the photos of his injuries in the documentary, but the producer said they were the most horrific things he’d ever seen and decided not to. I won’t go into detail but it just sounds..I can’t even describe. What I’m saying is, he was found face down wearing boxers. Granted they’d already pulled him out of the water by the time the ambulance arrived so they maybe missed it, but I can’t get how there wouldn’t have been blood in the water or on his underwear but yet it was everywhere in the post Mortem?
Sorry just trying to make head or tail of it how it can be ruled a drowning still on Wikipedia

Pulpfiction1 · 07/02/2020 12:52

Apparently the boxers only had a small amount of blood on them, not consistent with his injuries.

So the assumption is after the attack, they left him until he stopped bleeding. Then put the boxers on to cover the injuries then thew him in the pool.

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 13:07

Ohh @Pulpfiction1 I hadn’t heard that! I’m a bit of an armchair detective with so many questions

HazelBite · 07/02/2020 13:27

I used to work in the Courts and have witnessed many people lying through their teeth there are very subtle signs that you learn to recognise, in my opinion after watching the documentary, and seeing the interviews, MB knew/knows exactly what went on.
Everyone that was at that "party" also knew!

Tolleshunt · 07/02/2020 13:31

A man was likely gang raped and killed at his house with a small number of people present. All have kept quiet
IMO they should all be behind bars. Save yoyr sympathy for the victim op

Agree with this. Why haven’t they been done under the joint enterprise law?

PotholeParadise · 07/02/2020 13:34

Al1Langdownthecleghole

It has always struck me that Barrymore's teams attempt to explain the horrific injuries to Stuart as being caused by hospital staff using a rectal thermometer, were not just wildly improbable, but revealed that they knew exactly how the injuries occurred.

Shame that they didn't stop and think that a pool thermometer and a hospital thermometer are very different sizes.

Excellent point.

Greysparkles · 07/02/2020 13:46

It begs the question of why did they bother to call an ambulance?

Bluerussian · 07/02/2020 13:58

loobyloo1234 Fri 07-Feb-20 12:03:42
I haven't watched the documentary - I will. For those that watched it, did the police not do enough at the crime scene to start with?
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They did handle it badly at the beginning.

When Michael Barrymore had finished Big Brother the police arrested him and two others who were at the 'gathering', saying they had new evidence. That came to nothing, their evidence was flimsy.

I don't know what to think, quite frankly,

loobyloo1234 · 07/02/2020 14:06

Yes thats what I thought. Don't get me wrong, of course the people at the 'party' were to blame, and someone knows what happened

But that is why we have the Police. Their huge failure to preserve the crime scene means Stuart's family may never get the justice they deserve. So incredibly sad

JanuaryJones20 · 07/02/2020 14:46

He knows what happened even if he wasn’t involved and I think most people realised that.

I read an interview the other day with one of the producers from the new C4 programme and I was genuinely horrified. Especially if hen they talked about the injuries the poor man suffered and how it had to have involved at least two people.

JanuaryJones20 · 07/02/2020 14:48

@Chinks123 think I read the same interview - horrifying.

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