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Michael Barrymore

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ChairsAndStairs · 06/02/2020 21:29

I’ve always wondered why his career was so badly damaged by what happened at his house.

It was awful that a man died, but he was never found guilty and it was never proved that he was in any way involved - as far as I remember.

He was so popular before and had a really strong career. AIBU to wonder why people turned against him so quickly?

I don’t mean this to be a goady thread, just generally wondering why he was the ‘only’ fall guy for what happened.

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SouthWestmom · 07/02/2020 14:49

If he doesn't know (possible) he definitely suspects and I imagine took anything immediately worrying with him and sent the manage back for the other stuff.

JanuaryJones20 · 07/02/2020 15:02

@Chinks123 can you post the link to the press interview with the producers please? I can’t find it as read it in my phone app. I think it’s a really important read has probably goes into more detail and gives far more context than they were able to cover in the programme - you’ll see the Barrymore’s claims re the injuries are ludicrous to say the least after reading that.

JanuaryJones20 · 07/02/2020 15:04

@ExcessiveAdmin @ChazsBrilliantAttitude I thought exactly the same especially after reading the press piece on the injuries. However cocaine is an excellent pain reliever - Barrymore knew what he was doing didn’t he.

Patroclus · 07/02/2020 15:37

My theory is he was doing his usual showbiz bit of jumping all over him, hassling him and whatever for laughs but he fought back. Barrymore being coked and pissed up lost it then attacked him, drowned and raped him.

Also from what I remember his career was already firmly declining. All that sort of saturday night family light entertainment shit was dead. It was only really old people who seemed to like him, everybody else could just feel the sleaze of him through the TV.

Patroclus · 07/02/2020 15:43

Those asking about joint enterpise laws I seem to remember it was changed and some people even released because it was being used disproportionately against young black men who were barely even involved in the incidents.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 07/02/2020 15:56

I am wondering, given the new investigation, if perverting the course of justice will come into play.

It appears evidence may have been disposed of. The body was put into the swimming pool to create a misleading impression of what happened. It’s possible some of them are protecting the perpetrators from arrest etc.
www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/public-justice-offences-incorporating-charging-standard

SouthWestmom · 07/02/2020 16:00

If you think logically

Links:

Barrymore and boyfriend
Merritt and sister

They may have loyalty to each other

What's in it for them all to lie and feign lack of knowledge or would suggest they didn't know?

Involvement in his death
Genuine lack of knowledge
Fear of secondary crimes - eg possession of drugs
Fear of reprisals
Loyalty

It's v convenient that two men go to the master bedroom to talk and Barrymore joins them to change his shorts then goes out to discover a dead body

Tolleshunt · 07/02/2020 16:01

Patroclus that makes sense, I was thinking that joint enterprise would have been used against them if they were black, but as they were white.....

Noodlenosefraggle · 07/02/2020 16:02

I also suspect this wasnt the first time MB has been involved in dodgy drink and drug fuelled parties. It all seemed like a well oiled machine. Something goes wrong, agent and pa immediately go into damage limitation mode, telling him to leave apparently and removing evidence. They all seemed to know exactly what to do to perform and conceal a violent rape.

Patroclus · 07/02/2020 16:16

This is him with Allan Car, it was actually in 2006, long after the death.

Roussette · 07/02/2020 16:16

I wonder if a couple of other people got in through the grounds and caught Stuart unawares. Such things do happen
Michael, is that you?!

I never liked MB because he just got off on belittling and taking the piss out of people, he thought he was invincible until this.

Of course he knows what happened. I watched the doc and remember it all clearly at the time.

I was shocked at the 999 call played at the beginning of the doc. Whichever bloke rang in more or less said 'fucking awful. It's the first time I've been out in four fucking years, and it was a party and a geezer has drowned'
Horrible.

Stuart was starstruck with MB, he was a good looking young guy, he was obviously held down, anally raped with objects and people, he fought back and died, then was chucked in the swimming pool.

Then MB fled. An innocent man doesn't do that. Bollocks to your Agent telling you to do that. What about your human feelings that someone has died in your property, which incidentally wasn't some huge mansion. In the TV footage it looked very modest, like a bungalow. All there knew what happened but for whatever reason, they aren't saying.

I am very very glad that MB's career was shot to pieces, he should never have been allowed on BB or DOI.

Patroclus · 07/02/2020 16:17

Two of the most sinister bastards ever in one clip there.

I want to know what happened to the drugs and paraphanalia. If they were hidden-find out where and you'll find out a lot more.

Patroclus · 07/02/2020 16:19

Cocaine is only a local anaesthetic, if anything it increases pain elsewhere on the body.

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 16:53

@JanuaryJones20 it was just a metro article I read where the producer was basically saying he’d seen the photos and that they were internal injuries and they were too horrific to show. It confirms they were from him being raped. I agree MB’s claims of how he got the injuries are laughable, how has he got away with it.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2020/02/06/michael-barrymore-stuart-lubbock-terry-autopsy-anal-injuries-12195112/amp/

Chinks123 · 07/02/2020 16:57

Not sure if that’s the one you read @JanuaryJones20

sashh · 07/02/2020 17:02

I may have this wrong but I thought I read that another pathologist said the injuries could have been caused while they were trying to revive Stuart. An anal thermometer was inserted many times.

As someone else said, it's only inserted once and left. It's much smaller than a suppository, basically a wire connected to a box. Only the wire is placed in the anus. If you have a wired mouse on your computer then the thickness of the 'wire' is about the same size.

It's also very flexible.

If someone is suspected of drowning they cannot be declared dead if their body is cool / cold. This is because people who have 'drowned' in cold water sometimes survive, the body can go into a rapid form of hypothermia and can be revived hours after cardiac arrest.

Granted they’d already pulled him out of the water by the time the ambulance arrived so they maybe missed it, but I can’t get how there wouldn’t have been blood in the water or on his underwear but yet it was everywhere in the post Mortem?

I don't know how they attempted resus in the hospital but it is possible they used extracorporeal cardiopulmonary resuscitation. Basically putting the person on bypass as you would if you were operating on their heart so organs are perfused and you can warm the body.

If circulation had stopped then there would be little blood, you don't bleed or bruise after death but the bypass would have restored circulation and therefore the blood supply to the injuries.

As I said I don't know, but it's a possibility and the fact they used a rectal thermometer implies his body temperature was very low.

The ambulance and hospital staff would be under the assumption he had drowned.

moita · 07/02/2020 17:03

Haven't watched all of the documentary but used to live near(ish) him and hearing the details of what happened is sickening.

I used to watch his shows at Saturday entertainment as a child with my parents. Thought he was hilarious. Watching that Susan Boyle clip was awful. She did remarkably well to carry on.

What a horrible, horrible man.

PumpkinPie2016 · 07/02/2020 17:13

I think MB and the others know exactly what went on that nightSad I just wish they would tell so that Stuart's poor father can finally have some answers. Poor man, as if losing his son wasn't bad enough, the not knowing what happened must eat him up inside.

I definitely think MB is involved somewhere - I can't fathom what sort of person finds a guest dead and leaves the scene. Was it even him who made the 999 call? If I found a guest dead, I would want to do everything possible to help the police to find out what had happened.

Poor Stuart -what a needless waste of a young life Sad

Puzzledandpissedoff · 07/02/2020 17:16

My theory is he was doing his usual showbiz bit of jumping all over him, hassling him and whatever for laughs but he fought back

Somehow I doubt it was "laughs" which MB wanted from him, just as I doubt a couple of them visited the bedroom "to talk"
From the sound of things this was hardly what most of us expect to find when told there's a party happening ...

Roussette · 07/02/2020 17:17

No, he didn't make the 999 call. ONe of the other men did and sounded like he was pissed off a drowning had spoilt the party as he hadn't been out much Hmm

Logfootlightoe · 07/02/2020 17:22

He’s gay, remember how horribly he was outed? Different rules apply when it come to reporting on LGBT people. Look at the headlines.
Polanski, who was almost certainly guilty and flees justice, is feted in Europe as a genius. Rather than the rapist he almost certainly is.

Saturdaysnotforexercise · 07/02/2020 17:55

Let’s take Barrymore at his word for one moment.
9 people at the house including victim and Barrymore.
The injuries show one person strangling while the other inserting objects in the victim’s anus.
So minimum of two men did the assault. (At least - Lubbock was a fit 31 year old male, who could defend himself, albeit somewhat intoxicated/high
Three guests women. Even collectively they could not have overpowered Lubbock.
Barrymore as gay would not have been interested in them and so would have been in male company - the assault would have taken some time, during which Barrymore would not have been just with the women.

That leaves kne other male guest (assuming only 2 did the assault), who would have been with Barrymore.

So according to his own account Barrymore must know, by process of elimination, the two men who did it.

If, that is, only 2 men assault the victim while Barrymore elsewhere with the other male.

If someone had been raped and murdered in my house and I was wholly innocent, I’d hang them out to dry without a second’s hesitation. Why hasn’t Barrymore?

Noodlenosefraggle · 07/02/2020 17:59

He’s gay, remember how horribly he was outed?
I thought he stood up in a club and outed himself without telling his wife he was going to do so before chucking his wedding ring on the floor.

Ponoka7 · 07/02/2020 18:02

"MB was stupid to leave but his agent told him to, he was drunk and he panicked."

He left with the two other men, who have all given each other an alibi.

When I initially questioned they said that they left because ' they all just had to get out of there'. No mention was made of calling the agent and leaving on his advice.
Shaw (one of the men at the party who didn't know MB), claimed Stuart was alive when pulled out of the pool. The agent bit was added later, because again one of the men originally said they made the phone call from his house, after they had left. There was inconsistencies in where all of the men were and how they all got to the pool.

It was only the 17 year old guest who spoke about the three men being outside with Stuart, changing clothes and MB leaving with a 'bundle.

The Police royally fucked up and it's a shame that the finances of all of the guests couldn't have been looked into.