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“It’s what boys do”

131 replies

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:45

Here we go, first AIBU {nerves} but I would like to know.
This is long and boring!!!

I am from abroad and I am learning playground etiquette here. From what I gather in MNet it is a big no no to tell off another child, unless someone is in danger.

I am also very aware that nobody is perfect and I have a DS and a DD, I understand you might have several kids to watch or a crappy day or a break.

I was in an indoor learning space / playground with my family. DS is 2 and was running around trying the different activities.
DH and I were taking turns or both of us supervising. This area has lots of signs saying children have to be supervised and the activities are for parents and children to enjoy together (you learn as you do the things and read and try things out)
I actually work for this organisation but in a different site (I used to work for this one), I was not on duty, I am on leave.

When DS went to try on activity, an older child around 6/7, a boy (relevant for the post) told him he couldn’t do it, he would never do it and DS was sad but kept trying. I jokily said “never say never” and smiled. Then said child said “I am the only one allowed to be here”
I distracted DS and went somewhere else.
A while later he went inside a little den with DH and as they came out DH said the boy was there blocking their path to the top level of the den and he had to ask him to please not touch my son and they left.

We again went somewhere else. Later on DS wanted to have a go in the den and get to the top so we went and the boy wasn’t there. He got to the top and the boy rushed inside and pushed him out, then proceeded to push and block others including his friends. He said “this is only for me”

I was aware about the not telling other children off MNet rule but also wanted my son to know it is not ok to do that as I won’t want him to do the same to others or think this is ok behaviour to put up with.
So I said “this is for everyone to enjoy, not just you, I will find a member of staff so they can explain”
He said “you might not find a member of staff”
So I said “ok I will go and talk to your mum”
And I left to find the mum. I did as I had already notice who she was, sitting with a friend having coffee and chatting. I approached (I am usually very bad at standing up for myself)
I said excuse me is your son over there? She said yes. I said well he has been pushing and blocking the door for children there and could you perhaps go check?
She said oh yes there has been punching and fighting there. Is your son there too, they are all doing it.
I said no, my son is now somewhere else and he has not been pushing, he is 2. I then pointed out at the boy and asked if that was her son. She said yes and the boy came over.

She said “this lady is saying you are pushing and blocking” he said oh we are letting people through now.

All I wanted was for the mum to have a word and perhaps an apology but to be honest I didn’t care much about the apology. I just wanted to be able to enjoy the place!

Anyway. The boy left and the mum’s friend said to me Well, others are pushing too. I said well I am not going to be talking to every parent, it was just this boy that pushed / block my son so I was hoping he could be supervised.
The mum then said well, I am not going in there, this is what boys do.

😖😖😖 This rubbed me the wrong way and I said: you mean this is what boys and girls do?? No, this is what some might do when they are not being supervised.

[context. I disagree with not holding both boys and girls to the same standards and I hate the “boys will be boys”. No. We can’t let boys behave in a way because they are boys. And no, I don’t think that was right.]

She said “I don’t have to listen to this”

I said no, but please supervise. (At this point I was pissed off because she just seemed to excuse her 6/7 yo pushing 2 yo children because “this is what boys do”

So YABU= I should ignore in the future and just tell my son we can’t play there and find another area and not approach parents.

If you vote this can you please give feedback because as I said where I come from parents are happy for others to “tell their children off” and quite grateful too😁 (I don’t do this as I have lived here for a long time)
I also don’t want my son to think he can let others walk all over him but I want him to be safe too.

YANBU= being a boy is not an excuse and if a parent approached you then you will go and supervise, perhaps say sorry or say something to your child?

Thank you!

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lyralalala · 01/02/2020 18:48

You did the right thing, but you will find that some parents have the boys will be boys attitude and you won’t shift them

Same with parents who don’t bother to supervise. Someone who already knows their 6/7yo has been pushing and fighting and is still just sitting with a coffee doesn’t give a shit about their kid spoiling other kids fun

JJPC · 01/02/2020 18:49

Ah YANBU but I hate the phrasing “being a boy is not an excuse”

firstimemamma · 01/02/2020 18:51

I think you were in the right but in your shoes I wouldn't have taken the debate with the mum quite so far as I don't think you can ever win mums like that round ifswim. Yanbu though.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:51

But I don’t want my son to think it is ok for boys. Why do some people think this way? It is 2020 Sad

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Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:52

think you were in the right but in your shoes I wouldn't have taken the debate with the mum quite so far
I think my DH would agree with you

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AppleKatie · 01/02/2020 18:53

You are completely in the right BUT there’s literally no point in talking to parents like that.

I would have just said in my best teacher voice, ‘excuse me the den is for everyone and little X needs to get past you, thank you!’ hard stare.

No ‘telling off’ involved.

JontyDoggle37 · 01/02/2020 18:53

@JJPC why would you hate that phrase? It’s perfectly reasonable and factually stated - being a boy is not an excuse for violence/benign aggressive/putting other people down. Ever. Can’t see a fault in that statement.

Sceptre86 · 01/02/2020 18:54

I hear this crap all the time usually from parents of boys excusing their poor behaviour. My son is 2 and a very boisterous child in the situation you described he would have probably pushed the older boy back but I would have been on guard to intervene. You did exactly right and I always tell mine off and other people's kids if need be. The older child was ruining other kids enjoyment and deserved to be told off but with a parent like that his behaviour is unlikely to improve. Yanbu

NatyoCheese · 01/02/2020 18:55

YANBU. I absolutely despise the whole ‘boys will be boys’ bullshit.

Might seem dramatic but when I hear things like This, It’s clear to see why many men grow up thinking they own the place and women are held to higher standards. The excuses start from so young. Angry

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:55

Ah YANBU but I hate the phrasing “being a boy is not an excuse”
This is my second language so perhaps I didn’t see this.
I mean that boys are not to be expected to behave badly more than girls, they are both children

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Hellohello2020 · 01/02/2020 18:56

Yanbu. But my child is too young for this, not sure what I'd do.

DesLynamsMoustache · 01/02/2020 18:56

YANBU but I'm also one of those horrible people who will tell random kids off at soft play if they are being little shits. The other day some older kids came into the toddler bit and started throwing the stuff around and DD almost got knocked flying, so I said 'Don't do that. This bit is for little babies to play in and you're going to hurt her. Either play nicely or go and play in the older section'. And they went away Grin

DesLynamsMoustache · 01/02/2020 18:57

Also those kids in question were girls, not boys! Both equally capable of being menaces.

ChocolateChipMuffin2016 · 01/02/2020 18:57

I actually have no problem with other people telling my kid off if he is misbehaving and I’m not there. As PP said you’re in the right but I would have given up after she basically acknowledged that she knew her son was being a shit and made no move to tell him off. Also boy will be boys is bullshit, girls can be nasty too!

summervines · 01/02/2020 18:58

NO! It is not what boys do and if parents are spouting that nonsense then they need to be called out on it.

I've got two boys and I wouldn't stand for bad behaviour because 'that's what boys do' Angry

ChocolateChipMuffin2016 · 01/02/2020 18:58

Oh and yep! I’m another person who will quite happily tell another kid off if they’re being a shit and their parent is no where to be seen!

CalmdownJanet · 01/02/2020 18:59

I would have said "No it's what little pricks with lazy parents do irrespective of them being a boy or girl" I wouldn't but in my head I would have

Ritascornershop · 01/02/2020 19:00

Personally I wouldn’t talk to the parents as little terrors do not tend to arise in a vacuum. When mine were little I would tell other kids, politely, to follow rules of decent behaviour and if they argued with me I would tell them it was not up for discussion. Let them tell their parents! I am very non-confrontational about things that affect me, but anything that affects a smaller or kinder or more polite child and I will tell the child off.

I think telling staff (if at a place where there are staff, versus a park) is the best bet if the behaviour continues.

JJPC · 01/02/2020 19:01

@JontyDoggle37 not because I think it’s ok for boys to be rough but because it suggests to me that there is something negative in being a boy.

I’m probably overthinking it and as I said, I do agree with the OP.

Herringbone31 · 01/02/2020 19:03

Wait. We don’t tell off other kids?

If someone was being nasty to my child. I will for sure say. Excuse me. We don’t do that. If they continue. Then I would explain it to a member of staff.

Fcukthisshit · 01/02/2020 19:03

@DesLynamsMoustache glad it’s not just me. I’ll happily tell of others people kids too if the parents aren’t around to do it and they’re being little shits.

Ritascornershop · 01/02/2020 19:03

Also, in my experience, the two boys who were the worst bullies in my son’s private school, aged 5-11, both had parents who would not supervise and would say “boys will be boys”, and both those kids (from wealthy backgrounds) ended up with youth records (not sure if they are still breaking the law as young adults).

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:03

Some of these responses Grin

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crestedrobin · 01/02/2020 19:04

Yanbu but I wouldn't take any notice of "mums net rules" as in never telling another child off. Do what you think best.

DesLynamsMoustache · 01/02/2020 19:05

@Herringbone31 It's generally the people with the worst-behaved children who get mortally offended by other people telling off their child. Parents who care about their children's behaviour are usually happy for others to reinforce boundaries or step in.