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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

“It’s what boys do”

131 replies

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:45

Here we go, first AIBU {nerves} but I would like to know.
This is long and boring!!!

I am from abroad and I am learning playground etiquette here. From what I gather in MNet it is a big no no to tell off another child, unless someone is in danger.

I am also very aware that nobody is perfect and I have a DS and a DD, I understand you might have several kids to watch or a crappy day or a break.

I was in an indoor learning space / playground with my family. DS is 2 and was running around trying the different activities.
DH and I were taking turns or both of us supervising. This area has lots of signs saying children have to be supervised and the activities are for parents and children to enjoy together (you learn as you do the things and read and try things out)
I actually work for this organisation but in a different site (I used to work for this one), I was not on duty, I am on leave.

When DS went to try on activity, an older child around 6/7, a boy (relevant for the post) told him he couldn’t do it, he would never do it and DS was sad but kept trying. I jokily said “never say never” and smiled. Then said child said “I am the only one allowed to be here”
I distracted DS and went somewhere else.
A while later he went inside a little den with DH and as they came out DH said the boy was there blocking their path to the top level of the den and he had to ask him to please not touch my son and they left.

We again went somewhere else. Later on DS wanted to have a go in the den and get to the top so we went and the boy wasn’t there. He got to the top and the boy rushed inside and pushed him out, then proceeded to push and block others including his friends. He said “this is only for me”

I was aware about the not telling other children off MNet rule but also wanted my son to know it is not ok to do that as I won’t want him to do the same to others or think this is ok behaviour to put up with.
So I said “this is for everyone to enjoy, not just you, I will find a member of staff so they can explain”
He said “you might not find a member of staff”
So I said “ok I will go and talk to your mum”
And I left to find the mum. I did as I had already notice who she was, sitting with a friend having coffee and chatting. I approached (I am usually very bad at standing up for myself)
I said excuse me is your son over there? She said yes. I said well he has been pushing and blocking the door for children there and could you perhaps go check?
She said oh yes there has been punching and fighting there. Is your son there too, they are all doing it.
I said no, my son is now somewhere else and he has not been pushing, he is 2. I then pointed out at the boy and asked if that was her son. She said yes and the boy came over.

She said “this lady is saying you are pushing and blocking” he said oh we are letting people through now.

All I wanted was for the mum to have a word and perhaps an apology but to be honest I didn’t care much about the apology. I just wanted to be able to enjoy the place!

Anyway. The boy left and the mum’s friend said to me Well, others are pushing too. I said well I am not going to be talking to every parent, it was just this boy that pushed / block my son so I was hoping he could be supervised.
The mum then said well, I am not going in there, this is what boys do.

😖😖😖 This rubbed me the wrong way and I said: you mean this is what boys and girls do?? No, this is what some might do when they are not being supervised.

[context. I disagree with not holding both boys and girls to the same standards and I hate the “boys will be boys”. No. We can’t let boys behave in a way because they are boys. And no, I don’t think that was right.]

She said “I don’t have to listen to this”

I said no, but please supervise. (At this point I was pissed off because she just seemed to excuse her 6/7 yo pushing 2 yo children because “this is what boys do”

So YABU= I should ignore in the future and just tell my son we can’t play there and find another area and not approach parents.

If you vote this can you please give feedback because as I said where I come from parents are happy for others to “tell their children off” and quite grateful too😁 (I don’t do this as I have lived here for a long time)
I also don’t want my son to think he can let others walk all over him but I want him to be safe too.

YANBU= being a boy is not an excuse and if a parent approached you then you will go and supervise, perhaps say sorry or say something to your child?

Thank you!

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MsTSwift · 01/02/2020 19:59

You were right. Not saying my approach is perfect but in these situations if parent not there and and strange child being a little shit to mine or others I am firm but kind teacher type approach. “Can you let the other children in please ? That’s great thanks” big smile. That way you show your kid you are standing up for them and there’s nothing anyone can pin on you. The misbehaving kid knows they are in the wrong so is unlikely to whine to their own mum anyway. Contact with other parent to be avoided. My kids older now Grin

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 20:00

well This parenting thing is going to be tough.
When I am teaching I know exactly how to manage behaviour, I know the rules and I have done it for long enough.
But it seems a lot more complicated to deal with children when the parents are involved!🤭

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Hoik · 01/02/2020 20:03

Buckle in, when they’re at school coming home missing a tooth, black eye or a concussion.... you guessed it, boys will be boys

In all my years of attending school, working in schools and in childcare, and then taking my own DC to school I have never had a child come home with a concussion. They have come home missing a tooth where a baby tooth has fallen out and with a black eye that they caused themselves such as DD going face first into the side of the teacher's desk. Where do your DC go to school!?

MsTSwift · 01/02/2020 20:03

We are at the “my friend invited me to drink vodka in the park I don’t want to” when the girl in question is the dd of my lovely friend do do I tell her?! The parenting dilemmas continue just change!

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RomeoLikedCapuletGirls · 01/02/2020 20:04

I must say I think it's lovely that you look to MN for etiquette!

delilahbucket · 01/02/2020 20:05

YANBU, the boy was being a brat. Unfortunately this is the lazy parenting standard that has become normal is large parts of society. "Boys will be boys", erm... No. As the parent of a boy and with friends who have girls, I have definitely discovered that in the primary school years, boys need firmer discipline than girls in order to mature in to respectable men eventually. Failure to control your boy in younger years and instill kindness, humanity, empathy, helpfulness and all the things that make a nice person, will only result in a horrible teen and ultimately, adult.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 20:11

Thank you all. I can’t reply to all as it is bedtime duty here!
My son just mentioned “the boy pushed me not fair” They break your heart these toddlers

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AQuickNameChange1 · 01/02/2020 20:13

I tell off other people's kids in this situation, and if I have to tell them again I take them over to their parent. It's not ok. Activities are there for everyone to enjoy.

messolini9 · 01/02/2020 20:17

But I don’t want my son to think it is ok for boys. Why do some people think this way? It is 2020

YANBU Jellycatfox, & good for you.
You are the kind of mother who gives me hope for future generations.

The park mother is the kind who is partly responsible for the perpetuation of toxic masculinity.
I expect she won't see her DiL's physical or mental bruises once her lovely little tyrant grows up ... or if she does inadvertently notice them, she'll blame the DiL for not being conciliatary, appeasing, or facilitating enough to her darling little scion of the patricarchy.

As to why - cor. What a question.
She may have toxic femininity. She may be lazy. She may be a shit parent, plenty of 'em about, or perhaps simply stupid, but most likely is she's just a Simpering Dickpanderer (technical term, the majestic disdain of which I would love to claim, but sadly must credit to the brilliant @cavabiensepasser).

You did the right thing, you were tactful & sensible: I could cry a river about the sisterhood letting themselves and boys down on this issue - but don't let one twat in a park upset your weekend, OP.

Gogreen · 01/02/2020 20:21

Anyone who says boys are just being boys really mean

‘I can’t be bothered to parent my child so will blame the sex as it’s a easy cop out for me’

messolini9 · 01/02/2020 20:23

This is my second language so perhaps I didn’t see this.
... & you make more sense in it than millions of native speakers @Jellycatfox, so dont worry about that either.

Ah YANBU but I hate the phrasing “being a boy is not an excuse”
Personally - & I'm open to hearing why I should not - I feel it's a perfectly valid & rational statement.
Just as is: "being a girl is not an excuse".

No special pleading. It cuts both ways.

StrangeLookingParasite · 01/02/2020 20:24

his response was "what's it got to to with you?"

To which mine would have been 'you will not push my son', but I'm (probably unwisely) warlike when it comes to anything resembling bullying. I did see off one kid who pushed my son into the coat racks at school. Son had a cut between his eyes, so only luck it wasn't one of his eyes. I gave the child responsible a massive glare, and since he was still at a point where he cared what people thought of him, it worked perfectly. For kids who no longer care, though, that one's more difficult.

SunshineCake · 01/02/2020 20:25

I think you handled it very well.

I told off a year seven boy a while ago and bless him he thought I was ringing his school and came back in tears to ask if I had. I had said how did he think his school would act if he did. I told him I was ringing to see where my child was, I wouldn't have rung the school I just wanted him to think about his actions. (Silly at best, very dangerous at worse. He could have died). I told him he was clearly a decent young man as he had cared. I just wished I had said to stay away from older boys who's encourage him to do daft things then leave him when he is challenged.

summervines · 01/02/2020 20:26

Buckle in, when they’re at school coming home missing a tooth, black eye or a concussion.... you guessed it, boys will be boys
Oh please no ☹️

Really? I need to tell my sons that they have been doing it wrong all these years. Maybe they are really girls and I didn't notice.

lottiegarbanzo · 01/02/2020 20:33

Well done. I applaud you for talking to her, calmly and factually and for being completely clear that this is not acceptable.

It is a case though of 'the apple does not fall far from the tree', rather than actually being anything about boys and girls. Thug mother, thug child.

Reversiblesequinsforadults · 01/02/2020 20:34

I tell children off regularly, not shouting, but a firm word. I'm a teacher so I feel comfortable talking to random children and have plenty of experience telling them off. I wouldn't mind someone telling my children off but I would be mortified.
Don't believe everything you read on mumsnet. It's not the arbiter of normal behaviour.

lottiegarbanzo · 01/02/2020 20:37

And, for the future, yes you can tell off other children in this sort of case. If posing a danger, or if bullying other children, or preventing other children from using play equipment. Phrase it carefully, so you're saying 'it's this child's turn now' or 'no, this is for everyone' but, feel free to say it.

ChrissieKeller61 · 01/02/2020 20:56

I would have said this is what Mums do and knocked her out .... in my head.

She’s a vile person raising a vile kid who will eventually get battered by someone bigger than him and that’s how he’ll learn.
All you can do is keep your distance from these people

Nonnymum · 01/02/2020 21:04

I don't think inowuks have spoken to the mother I would have just told the boy that the equipment was for everyone to share and said please don't push DS he is much smaller than you

GreeboIsMySpiritAnimal · 01/02/2020 21:04

I tell other people's children off if they're misbehaving and there's no sign of a parent intervening - no ones challenged me yet, but my planned response should they do so is "parent your child, then I won't have to."

I cut all kinds of slack for parents who are doing their best to control a badly-behaved child, because sometimes they're just little shits regardless of what you do; but if you're making no effort whatsoever and allowing them to run riot, to the detriment of my child, then yes, I will tell them off.

ClappyFlappy · 01/02/2020 21:10

I’d tell off another kid in those circs. Some horrible little bastard booted my son down the slide in a soft play when he was tiny, he was old enough to know better, damned right I told him off and threatened to get him thrown out the Centre. If his mother didn’t like it tough shite.

LilQueenie · 01/02/2020 21:15

I wouldn't have gone to the parents tbh I would have told the boy to move loud enough the adults would hear about it. its supposed to be safe for kids. As for the boys comment girls do this too and its just bullying.

funinthesun19 · 01/02/2020 21:17

I hate that phrase “it’s what boys do”. Why hold your son to such low standards of behaviour like that just because he’s a boy. It’s not cool and it’s not funny.
It’s like when people say girls can be sassy and bossy, because “girls are just like that”.

I have 4 children, 3 of which are boys. I would be mortified if any of them started behaving like that boy did. I wouldn’t laugh it off the way she has.

skodadoda · 01/02/2020 21:23

It’s probably best to enlist the help of a member of staff. My granddaughter, at 2 years old, was removed from a soft play area for rough behaviour 🙁