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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

“It’s what boys do”

131 replies

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:45

Here we go, first AIBU {nerves} but I would like to know.
This is long and boring!!!

I am from abroad and I am learning playground etiquette here. From what I gather in MNet it is a big no no to tell off another child, unless someone is in danger.

I am also very aware that nobody is perfect and I have a DS and a DD, I understand you might have several kids to watch or a crappy day or a break.

I was in an indoor learning space / playground with my family. DS is 2 and was running around trying the different activities.
DH and I were taking turns or both of us supervising. This area has lots of signs saying children have to be supervised and the activities are for parents and children to enjoy together (you learn as you do the things and read and try things out)
I actually work for this organisation but in a different site (I used to work for this one), I was not on duty, I am on leave.

When DS went to try on activity, an older child around 6/7, a boy (relevant for the post) told him he couldn’t do it, he would never do it and DS was sad but kept trying. I jokily said “never say never” and smiled. Then said child said “I am the only one allowed to be here”
I distracted DS and went somewhere else.
A while later he went inside a little den with DH and as they came out DH said the boy was there blocking their path to the top level of the den and he had to ask him to please not touch my son and they left.

We again went somewhere else. Later on DS wanted to have a go in the den and get to the top so we went and the boy wasn’t there. He got to the top and the boy rushed inside and pushed him out, then proceeded to push and block others including his friends. He said “this is only for me”

I was aware about the not telling other children off MNet rule but also wanted my son to know it is not ok to do that as I won’t want him to do the same to others or think this is ok behaviour to put up with.
So I said “this is for everyone to enjoy, not just you, I will find a member of staff so they can explain”
He said “you might not find a member of staff”
So I said “ok I will go and talk to your mum”
And I left to find the mum. I did as I had already notice who she was, sitting with a friend having coffee and chatting. I approached (I am usually very bad at standing up for myself)
I said excuse me is your son over there? She said yes. I said well he has been pushing and blocking the door for children there and could you perhaps go check?
She said oh yes there has been punching and fighting there. Is your son there too, they are all doing it.
I said no, my son is now somewhere else and he has not been pushing, he is 2. I then pointed out at the boy and asked if that was her son. She said yes and the boy came over.

She said “this lady is saying you are pushing and blocking” he said oh we are letting people through now.

All I wanted was for the mum to have a word and perhaps an apology but to be honest I didn’t care much about the apology. I just wanted to be able to enjoy the place!

Anyway. The boy left and the mum’s friend said to me Well, others are pushing too. I said well I am not going to be talking to every parent, it was just this boy that pushed / block my son so I was hoping he could be supervised.
The mum then said well, I am not going in there, this is what boys do.

😖😖😖 This rubbed me the wrong way and I said: you mean this is what boys and girls do?? No, this is what some might do when they are not being supervised.

[context. I disagree with not holding both boys and girls to the same standards and I hate the “boys will be boys”. No. We can’t let boys behave in a way because they are boys. And no, I don’t think that was right.]

She said “I don’t have to listen to this”

I said no, but please supervise. (At this point I was pissed off because she just seemed to excuse her 6/7 yo pushing 2 yo children because “this is what boys do”

So YABU= I should ignore in the future and just tell my son we can’t play there and find another area and not approach parents.

If you vote this can you please give feedback because as I said where I come from parents are happy for others to “tell their children off” and quite grateful too😁 (I don’t do this as I have lived here for a long time)
I also don’t want my son to think he can let others walk all over him but I want him to be safe too.

YANBU= being a boy is not an excuse and if a parent approached you then you will go and supervise, perhaps say sorry or say something to your child?

Thank you!

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MiniMum97 · 01/02/2020 19:28

I don't think there is anything wrong with telling another child off if they are blatantly misbehaving like this and it's affecting your child. I would expect someone else to do the same if it were my child and I wasn't there. Do we really want to bring up a nation of children who don't think they have to answer to anyone! That no one will pull them up on their bad behaviour?

Picklypickles · 01/02/2020 19:29

Yes sorry not sure where the extra "not" came from! What I meant was that every time this child told you and your son that you couldn't play there, couldn't go in the den etc you just let walked off and let him have his way.

MaterEstIratus · 01/02/2020 19:29

YANBU - it’s not acceptable behaviour for a boy and equally girls do it too and it’s not acceptable for them either. You might find that talking to the staff (as high up as possible) will be more effective if the parents are too disengaged to care that their children are anti-social.

Justsaynonow · 01/02/2020 19:30

I agree with you, OP.

I have boys and girls. No such thing as "boys will be boys". Both needed to learn manners, not be excused for misbehaviour.

I had the reverse attitude from one of DD's friend's mom. Her dd took down my ds in the snow, tackling him and washing his face. When he went to retaliate, the mom screamed "No! She's a girl! No hitting girls!!" I explained that my kids knew that if they gave it, they would have to expect to receive it, regardless of sex. This went for waterguns, water balloons, snow play, nerf guns, etc - obv. not violence.

TheFairyCaravan · 01/02/2020 19:31

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Some boys are more boisterous than some girls. In the same way that some girls are more boisterous than some boys.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:32

Thanks all!
So from what I gather I was NBU in my thinking but instead of potentially picking an argument with another parent I do my teaching voice loud (which I did actually!) and then find staff.

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leghairdontcare · 01/02/2020 19:32

It is what boys do because they've been socialised that way. My preference would be for girls to do it as well, rather than boys stop doing it. His behaviour is very typical of his age group - they're pushing boundaries, figuring out life. It's all learning at that age, and it's fine to tell them off if they push your child.

WwfLeopard · 01/02/2020 19:36

Buckle in, when they’re at school coming home missing a tooth, black eye or a concussion.... you guessed it, boys will be boys

Rubyroost · 01/02/2020 19:40

Tell of the kid whilst the parent isn't looking. Why can't you tell another kid off... Don't understand the rule. We avoid soft play for this very reason

StrangeLookingParasite · 01/02/2020 19:40

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Rubbish.

I think you did brilliantly, Jellycatfox, and you were brave approaching the mother, considering some of the instances I have read about on here.

Hoik · 01/02/2020 19:41

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Holy fuck, DD2 must be a boy.

Even if it was the case that boys are more boisterous than girls an opinion usually voiced by people who compare boys to labrador puppies then it means that boys need more supervision, more correction, and more guidance not just to be left to their own devices because they happen to have a penis and all of the entitlement that goes with it.

Juliehooligan · 01/02/2020 19:43

The boys mum said that as she can’t be bothered to teach her child to behave properly. Let’s see if she still thinks that when a bigger boy thumps and pushes him back.

Reginabambina · 01/02/2020 19:44

You are way to emotionally invested in this. Some people don’t have manners, it’s absurd to stand there arguing with them.

AriadnesFilament · 01/02/2020 19:45

YANBU but you’re going to find this kind of crappy attitude at pretty much any play place you go. It’s nothing to do with ‘boys will be boys’ and everything to do with shitty parenting. Some people seem to think that being in a play centre abrogates them of all parental responsibilities.

JaniceBattersby · 01/02/2020 19:45

I always tell other kids off and it’s fine for other parents to tell my kids off. I don’t shout. I just sternly tell them to stop doing what they’re doing because it’s not nice or whatever. If they don’t stop I say right, let’s go and find your parent now to tell them you’re misbehaving.

If parents don’t supervise their kids closely then they have to expect other parents to tell them off. And tbh at 6 or 7 I also would probably be having a coffee while they were playing so other parents can crack on and bollock them if needs be.

Dontdisturbmenow · 01/02/2020 19:51

You were correct but you made too much of an issue of it. Going to the mum, pointing out that her son was blocking the way and that this intimidated younger or shier kids from having a go there too and would she mind asking him to be kind to all would have sufficed.

In the end, she was always either going to be a reasonable mum who would apologise and indeed tell off her boy, or as she turned to be, a mum who doesn't care and whose attitude more likely explain her son's. No point in having a discussion with these parents, they won't get what you are saying anyway.

HunterAngel · 01/02/2020 19:51

This situation hasn’t arisen yet for me but you’re definitely not unreasonable. You did the right thing and, if that was my son, I would have thanked you for bringing it to my attention and dealt with the bad behaviour

Scratch that, you wouldn’t have to tell my son off, I wouldn’t let him behave like that to begin with.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:51

Buckle in, when they’re at school coming home missing a tooth, black eye or a concussion.... you guessed it, boys will be boys
Oh please no ☹️

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swimmingclubs · 01/02/2020 19:52

I just talk to other kids in the moment if they are behaving like this, if the parent isn't supervising their kid they won't even know!

Shosha1 · 01/02/2020 19:53

I absolutely hate the ' boys will be boys' saying. I have been in childcare for over 40 years, with a son of my own.

I am and gave always been very vocal that 'boys' behaviour is not tolerated under my watch. Regardless of sex all my children, grandchildren and charges are expected to treat each other with respect.
( I have been known to vocalise at the school gates. Middle Class Mums there may just be a little afraid of the 60 year old nanny who is old school 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣)

flooredbored · 01/02/2020 19:53

If a child (or adult) is doing something that negatively impacts me or my children I will say something to them.
Whenever, I have had to tell someone's child off, the child has always complied. I don't really care if their parents have a problem with it.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:53

You are way to emotionally invested in this. Some people don’t have manners, it’s absurd to stand there arguing with them.
Probably true!

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user1494182820 · 01/02/2020 19:54

Yanbu, but people are utter dicks in places like this and seem to think it's fine to laze about ignoring their offspring while I get more and more frustrated. I avoid like the plague. Go somewhere outdoors instead, the outside people at this time of year tend to be much more agreeable 😊

mrsBtheparker · 01/02/2020 19:57

If the parent is clearly oblivious to their child's behaviour I would have no problem if my child/grandchild was being abused by mini-thugs. It's usually what takes their parent away from their coffee and phone.

San141 · 01/02/2020 19:58

I hate places like this..as an ex school teacher I cant bite my tongue!!! Last time I went I told a child not to push people (my 2yr old, he was 6/7) his response was "what's it got to to with you?" We left!! If a child responds like that I'm not going to the parent