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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

“It’s what boys do”

131 replies

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:45

Here we go, first AIBU {nerves} but I would like to know.
This is long and boring!!!

I am from abroad and I am learning playground etiquette here. From what I gather in MNet it is a big no no to tell off another child, unless someone is in danger.

I am also very aware that nobody is perfect and I have a DS and a DD, I understand you might have several kids to watch or a crappy day or a break.

I was in an indoor learning space / playground with my family. DS is 2 and was running around trying the different activities.
DH and I were taking turns or both of us supervising. This area has lots of signs saying children have to be supervised and the activities are for parents and children to enjoy together (you learn as you do the things and read and try things out)
I actually work for this organisation but in a different site (I used to work for this one), I was not on duty, I am on leave.

When DS went to try on activity, an older child around 6/7, a boy (relevant for the post) told him he couldn’t do it, he would never do it and DS was sad but kept trying. I jokily said “never say never” and smiled. Then said child said “I am the only one allowed to be here”
I distracted DS and went somewhere else.
A while later he went inside a little den with DH and as they came out DH said the boy was there blocking their path to the top level of the den and he had to ask him to please not touch my son and they left.

We again went somewhere else. Later on DS wanted to have a go in the den and get to the top so we went and the boy wasn’t there. He got to the top and the boy rushed inside and pushed him out, then proceeded to push and block others including his friends. He said “this is only for me”

I was aware about the not telling other children off MNet rule but also wanted my son to know it is not ok to do that as I won’t want him to do the same to others or think this is ok behaviour to put up with.
So I said “this is for everyone to enjoy, not just you, I will find a member of staff so they can explain”
He said “you might not find a member of staff”
So I said “ok I will go and talk to your mum”
And I left to find the mum. I did as I had already notice who she was, sitting with a friend having coffee and chatting. I approached (I am usually very bad at standing up for myself)
I said excuse me is your son over there? She said yes. I said well he has been pushing and blocking the door for children there and could you perhaps go check?
She said oh yes there has been punching and fighting there. Is your son there too, they are all doing it.
I said no, my son is now somewhere else and he has not been pushing, he is 2. I then pointed out at the boy and asked if that was her son. She said yes and the boy came over.

She said “this lady is saying you are pushing and blocking” he said oh we are letting people through now.

All I wanted was for the mum to have a word and perhaps an apology but to be honest I didn’t care much about the apology. I just wanted to be able to enjoy the place!

Anyway. The boy left and the mum’s friend said to me Well, others are pushing too. I said well I am not going to be talking to every parent, it was just this boy that pushed / block my son so I was hoping he could be supervised.
The mum then said well, I am not going in there, this is what boys do.

😖😖😖 This rubbed me the wrong way and I said: you mean this is what boys and girls do?? No, this is what some might do when they are not being supervised.

[context. I disagree with not holding both boys and girls to the same standards and I hate the “boys will be boys”. No. We can’t let boys behave in a way because they are boys. And no, I don’t think that was right.]

She said “I don’t have to listen to this”

I said no, but please supervise. (At this point I was pissed off because she just seemed to excuse her 6/7 yo pushing 2 yo children because “this is what boys do”

So YABU= I should ignore in the future and just tell my son we can’t play there and find another area and not approach parents.

If you vote this can you please give feedback because as I said where I come from parents are happy for others to “tell their children off” and quite grateful too😁 (I don’t do this as I have lived here for a long time)
I also don’t want my son to think he can let others walk all over him but I want him to be safe too.

YANBU= being a boy is not an excuse and if a parent approached you then you will go and supervise, perhaps say sorry or say something to your child?

Thank you!

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KimchiLaLa · 01/02/2020 21:26

Completely agree with you BUT there's no point in talking to the parents. They won't see the error of their ways. To them softplay etc is just about getting some time on their phones while their kids run riot.

LolaSmiles · 01/02/2020 21:30

YANBU.

Then again, I think if you see a child bullying, being violent or generally acting like a brat and you see their parent laughing along / looking on adoringly / evidently not giving a damn about their offspring, you can safely conclude the child is probably doomed to be in the same place with their kids in 10/20 years time as their offspring do the same.
I feel for the children to be honest. They had their whole lives as a reasonably blank slate and get conditioned to have a very narrow worldview and to develop behaviour that most people would consider to be rude.

She may be a shit parent, plenty of 'em about, or perhaps simply stupid, but most likely is she's just a Simpering Dickpanderer
Simpering Dickpanderer Grin I love it!

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 01/02/2020 21:38

I find that the same people that have the attitude 'that's what boys do' are the same ones that say 'that's what men are like' when their male relative can't Hoover or wash up when they're adults and excuse rape as 'he couldn't stop' etc. Young kids push and fight but a 7 year old should know better in 6/7 year old should be pushing a toddler. She was being a twat, and its clearly rubbing off on her son

likeafishneedsabike · 01/02/2020 21:53

A good firm ‘no thank you’ or ‘let’s take turns now’ usually works. Or maybe only for teachers Grin

KimchiLaLa · 01/02/2020 22:13

Simpering dickpanderer is the best. Can you imagine being a dickpanderer to your six year old child. What a laughable excuse for a parent

Starlight456 · 01/02/2020 22:37

I am a childminder. I told 2 children off for throwing sand at and pushing one of my children . Then spoke to parent.

Mum did then deal with child but wasn’t going to allow it to continue.

Smith888 · 01/02/2020 22:42

Nothing to do with boys, it’s a common flippant remark for parents who can’t be arsed to say “that’s just kids”, or they can “sort it out themselves” etc. I believed it for awhile until I realised every single one of those kids were bullies.

San141 · 02/02/2020 00:05

If any of my kids misbehaved and for some reason I didn't see, as embarrassing as is would be..I would want to know! Although getting a toddler( only young one!) to say sorry is like pulling teeth!

Dutchesss · 02/02/2020 00:22

I always tell off others peoples children in situations like this. It's OK to be firm but fair. Say things such as:
"My son doesn't like that."
"We are using this too."
"This area is for all children."
"We will have our turn now."

I wouldn't have spoken to the parent to be honest, it wont usually achieve much.

madcatladyforever · 02/02/2020 00:25

Urghhh I have so many friends who excuse their boys terrible behaviour by using this boys will be boys phrase. It really makes me angry.
I would never have allowed my son to behave like this.
It is lazy parenting.

SEE123 · 02/02/2020 01:00

@worraLiberty 🙄 here, you can borrow mine!

What a load of old tosh! A sad phrase to excuse lazy and absent parenting. Good on you OP for standing up for your son.

Jellycatfox · 02/02/2020 02:47

Reading all these 😊
YANBU Jellycatfox, & good for you.
You are the kind of mother who gives me hope for future generations.

This helps a mum with PND feel pretty good thank you
And all the other comments, every single one.
It is a case though of 'the apple does not fall far from the tree'
This was definitely the case. Both seemed puzzled and dismissive when I spoke.

For those suggesting that I ask the boy in firm and polite loud voice, just to clarify that I did! I said it was not his, but for everyone to enjoy but he didn’t move nor care and I said I would find staff and he said “you might not find staff” with a triumphant tone.
The mum was so far away she wouldn’t have said.
The “oh I am not going there” had a mocking tone to it too.

Ahhhh I am just happy to think that after all these votes and responses there is hope. That the majority of parents are children do care about others and this was just one bad experience and there is more good than bad.

I think my DH thinks it was not worth it. But I guess I have always been from the “be part of the solution” mindset and how else to challenge this toxic views?

Thank you all 🙂

And yes, I am sure my son will do his fair share of pushing one day but I really want to be there to explain to him that is not how we treat others (we are not perfect in this house!)

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Jellycatfox · 02/02/2020 02:53

*mum wouldn’t have heard, not said

I cut all kinds of slack for parents who are doing their best to control a badly-behaved child, because sometimes they're just little shits regardless of what you do; but if you're making no effort whatsoever and allowing them to run riot, to the detriment of my child, then yes, I will tell them off.
Yes yes yes. I always give a supporting look to a parent trying to deal with a child who won’t have it, because I have been there and it sucks.

Then again, I think if you see a child bullying, being violent or generally acting like a brat and you see their parent laughing along / looking on adoringly / evidently not giving a damn about their offspring, you can safely conclude the child is probably doomed to be in the same place with their kids in 10/20 years time as their offspring do the same.
I feel for the children to be honest. They had their whole lives as a reasonably blank slate and get conditioned to have a very narrow worldview and to develop behaviour that most people would consider to be rude

So much truth in this.

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Jellycatfox · 02/02/2020 02:54

Bold font won’t always work 😣

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Jellycatfox · 02/02/2020 02:59

I just remembered something that happened when I was at work years ago.
There was an art exhibition we were “patrolling” and a 5 yo started to climb on one of the pieces so my colleague appropriately said oh this is a exhibit, we can’t climb on this one but here let me show you what it is about to which the mum responded “let’s go [enter child name], this man obviously doesn’t remember what is to be 5”

I thought, well, I would have used that as a perfect opportunity to show my child that when I ask him not to do something is for a reason and save myself some trouble there not having to deal with it myself! Plus the whole respecting property and other people’s work but hey 😉

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squeekums · 02/02/2020 03:21

Boys will be boys to me is code for "im a lazy ass parent who thinks my son is allowed to do as he pleases, even if he harms another"
Its normally thrown around when a boy is hitting, pushing, being a bully or pinching a girls ass.

Id have told the little shit off. Then called his mother a lazy, useless bitch and left

SnoozyLou · 02/02/2020 03:47

She obviously isn't too worried about supervising her son properly, whether that's to make sure he doesn't hurt himself, or to make sure he behaves nicely. But you've marked his card now, so if he sees you again he might think twice. If not, I wouldn't waste my time on her. I'd go straight to the staff. Saying that though, you might find other parents get there before you by the sounds of things. She might be ok with his behaviour, but a lot of people won't be.

RainbowMum11 · 02/02/2020 03:55

I would always take up bad behaviour with the child if the parent wasn't there to directly supervise; and I expect my friends and others to do the same too if my DC is not being kind or nice in a play area.
Boys will be boys is complete rubbish - any child will behave how they can get away with if they don't have boundaries.
Good for you OP.
I almost find myself having to speak to some parents in the playground for behaviour I wouldn't accept from my DC.

Marchitectmummy · 02/02/2020 05:11

I would not get involved with the mother and would have found a staff member instead. Or what I have done before is told the child their mum is looking for them. That normally means the child goes to its mother.

JolieOBrien · 02/02/2020 05:28

@Jellycatfox

I used to avoid parents who don't supervise their children and let them run riot all over the place. They are usually a bit thick and not worth bothering to reason with imho.

MonsterKidz · 02/02/2020 05:36

YANBU

This gives me the absolute RAGE!

Eastie77 · 02/02/2020 05:51

@JassyRadlett - I'm the least confrontational person ever but had an incident with a parent at Coram's Fields once. Her DS was throwing sand in other kid's faces, running up the slide, spitting and pushing and shoving other children including my then 3 year old DD.

Child's mum was sitting on a bench nearby drinking coffee and on her phone. I politely pointed out the situation to her and she basically shrugged and carried on texting. Other parents started to remove their children as the boy's behaviour continued. I repeated that her son was upsetting a lot of children and she started ranting at me in another language. Unfortunately for her it was DP's native language and he marched over to confront her. He is not as polite as me. Epic showdown between two Italians (in loud Italian) then ensued with everyone watchingBlush

JassyRadlett · 02/02/2020 08:58

@Eastie77 That sounds epic!!

Slide Climber’s dad showed up as we were leaving - assume he must have been in the other playground as I hadn’t seen him the whole time we were there! So no risk of conflict....

UpsideRound · 02/02/2020 09:37

I don’t ‘tell off’ but I give firm instructions. Something like ‘xxx is coming in now, step from the door now’ and I never respond to children who assert stuff like ‘no one else can come in’ I just repeat myself firmly. Don’t enter dialogue. Occasionally if a child is really really rude I’ll call for parent/ staff in a loud voice to make a small scene

DdraigGoch · 02/02/2020 10:38

“It’s what boys do”
"Only the feral ones"