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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

“It’s what boys do”

131 replies

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 18:45

Here we go, first AIBU {nerves} but I would like to know.
This is long and boring!!!

I am from abroad and I am learning playground etiquette here. From what I gather in MNet it is a big no no to tell off another child, unless someone is in danger.

I am also very aware that nobody is perfect and I have a DS and a DD, I understand you might have several kids to watch or a crappy day or a break.

I was in an indoor learning space / playground with my family. DS is 2 and was running around trying the different activities.
DH and I were taking turns or both of us supervising. This area has lots of signs saying children have to be supervised and the activities are for parents and children to enjoy together (you learn as you do the things and read and try things out)
I actually work for this organisation but in a different site (I used to work for this one), I was not on duty, I am on leave.

When DS went to try on activity, an older child around 6/7, a boy (relevant for the post) told him he couldn’t do it, he would never do it and DS was sad but kept trying. I jokily said “never say never” and smiled. Then said child said “I am the only one allowed to be here”
I distracted DS and went somewhere else.
A while later he went inside a little den with DH and as they came out DH said the boy was there blocking their path to the top level of the den and he had to ask him to please not touch my son and they left.

We again went somewhere else. Later on DS wanted to have a go in the den and get to the top so we went and the boy wasn’t there. He got to the top and the boy rushed inside and pushed him out, then proceeded to push and block others including his friends. He said “this is only for me”

I was aware about the not telling other children off MNet rule but also wanted my son to know it is not ok to do that as I won’t want him to do the same to others or think this is ok behaviour to put up with.
So I said “this is for everyone to enjoy, not just you, I will find a member of staff so they can explain”
He said “you might not find a member of staff”
So I said “ok I will go and talk to your mum”
And I left to find the mum. I did as I had already notice who she was, sitting with a friend having coffee and chatting. I approached (I am usually very bad at standing up for myself)
I said excuse me is your son over there? She said yes. I said well he has been pushing and blocking the door for children there and could you perhaps go check?
She said oh yes there has been punching and fighting there. Is your son there too, they are all doing it.
I said no, my son is now somewhere else and he has not been pushing, he is 2. I then pointed out at the boy and asked if that was her son. She said yes and the boy came over.

She said “this lady is saying you are pushing and blocking” he said oh we are letting people through now.

All I wanted was for the mum to have a word and perhaps an apology but to be honest I didn’t care much about the apology. I just wanted to be able to enjoy the place!

Anyway. The boy left and the mum’s friend said to me Well, others are pushing too. I said well I am not going to be talking to every parent, it was just this boy that pushed / block my son so I was hoping he could be supervised.
The mum then said well, I am not going in there, this is what boys do.

😖😖😖 This rubbed me the wrong way and I said: you mean this is what boys and girls do?? No, this is what some might do when they are not being supervised.

[context. I disagree with not holding both boys and girls to the same standards and I hate the “boys will be boys”. No. We can’t let boys behave in a way because they are boys. And no, I don’t think that was right.]

She said “I don’t have to listen to this”

I said no, but please supervise. (At this point I was pissed off because she just seemed to excuse her 6/7 yo pushing 2 yo children because “this is what boys do”

So YABU= I should ignore in the future and just tell my son we can’t play there and find another area and not approach parents.

If you vote this can you please give feedback because as I said where I come from parents are happy for others to “tell their children off” and quite grateful too😁 (I don’t do this as I have lived here for a long time)
I also don’t want my son to think he can let others walk all over him but I want him to be safe too.

YANBU= being a boy is not an excuse and if a parent approached you then you will go and supervise, perhaps say sorry or say something to your child?

Thank you!

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amaryl · 01/02/2020 19:06

You go over and in a voice loud enough for everyone to hear, say, yes all the children are allowed in this area. Everyone needs to share.
I hate it when children do this. Ime, it's usually the girls not wanting to let the boys in.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:06

@Ritascornershop I didn’t want to point out but I was in a very wealthy area that I know from experience (I used to teach there) has some (some! Definitely not all) very entitled residents. And I do find that entitled parent=entitled offspring

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DesLynamsMoustache · 01/02/2020 19:07

There have been some bonkers posts on MN soft play threads before. I'm sure I read one once where a poster said they would punch someone if they had touched their child (in a moving them away/gentle hands kind of situation). And then they wonder why their children are awful Grin

WorraLiberty · 01/02/2020 19:11

Well obviously I've voted YANBU

But YABVU to parent by 'internet rules', especially bloody Mumsnet when some of the posts are just batshit crazy.

I used to tell other people's kids off when mine were little and had absolutely no problem with people telling mine off either.

As long as they're polite of course.

Thesearmsofmine · 01/02/2020 19:11

YANBU but when it was clear she didn’t care I would have given up and gone to a member of staff instead.
I have 3 boys and if they were pushing and not playing nicely they would be told off and if they continued removed from the play area. Girls can also be guilty of pushing and shoving and both should be treated equally and it isn’t acceptable from either sex.

I also think it’s fine to speak to other children who aren’t behaving. Not exactly a telling off but a firm word usually works.

Picklypickles · 01/02/2020 19:11

No it's not "what boys do". You were unreasonable to not let a 6/7yr old run rings around you like that though. As far as I'm concerned if no parents are supervising or sorting their children out themselves they can't complain if someone else has to step in and do it.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:12

Writing all down Smile
OK to voice out loud and try not to get punched in the face

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TheFairyCaravan · 01/02/2020 19:13

YANBU. I'd have told the child to shift out of the way in the first place tbh.

I've got 2, now adult, sons and I loathe the phrase "boys will be boys!" All children, regardless of their sex, will be badly behaved if you can't be arsed to parent them.

Ritascornershop · 01/02/2020 19:13

@jellycatfox - I found most of the kids fine, ditto when I worked with little ones in a very deprived area, but the worst behaved ones came from either very dysfunctional homes with abuse/absent parenting or “my kids can do no wrong/all kids are shits, nothing I can do homes”.

JassyRadlett · 01/02/2020 19:14

Wait. We don’t tell off other kids?

That was my thought. Also that OP didn’t seem me at Coram’s Fields today, I was on FIRE policing the slides (a couple of kids insisting climbing up/hiding in the tall slides while queues of kids waiting to go down). Grin

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:14

You were unreasonable to not let a 6/7yr old run rings around you like that though
I don’t understand this but, what is to run rings around someone?
Second language!

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Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:15

Also that OP didn’t seem me at Coram’s Fields today, I was on FIRE policing the slides
Grin

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Dragonembroidery · 01/02/2020 19:17

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:18

Boys are more boisterous than girls.
Or are they all born the same and some are allowed to behave in a certain way because they are boys?
What was first? Chicken? Egg?

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ShakespearesSisters · 01/02/2020 19:19

I have told kids that it's not nice behaviour or the space is for everyone and when they have finished their go my child is waiting etc. I've been lucky so far that I haven't had to talk to a parent though, but I think I would if the occasion required it.

WorraLiberty · 01/02/2020 19:21

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Yes because all boys and all girls are exactly the same...

Where's an eye-roll emoji when you need one.

Daftodil · 01/02/2020 19:21

I've told off other children before. If the parents aren't around to supervise, they can't complain about someone telling their child right from wrong.

My DS had similar to yours, but from a girl (little girl pushed him out of a little den and said "you can't come in here". I did exactly what you did "we don't push and he can go where he likes". She was 6 or 7 and my son was 2. I don't think there's anything wrong with that and if someone told me my son had push another child, I would make my child apologise rather than try to make excuses.

I also hate the expression "boys will be boys". It's like saying "you can't expect him to be kind or gentle or calm or respectful, he's merely a boy! They're biologically incapable!"

DesLynamsMoustache · 01/02/2020 19:22

Boys are more boisterous than girls.

Even if that were true, it's no reason to excuse bad behaviour. You don't let your child be rude and unfair to other children just because they have a penis.

MoaningMinniee · 01/02/2020 19:23

@Jellycatfox don't worry, I think @Picklypickles has got an extra 'not' in her post that she/he didn't mean.

To run rings around someone is to take advantage of them by being more agile either mentally or physically.

CalleighDoodle · 01/02/2020 19:23

Im with you op. And i do tell other people’s children off if they are hurting or being dangerous to others. And when parents have come to me to complain I've replied with then YOU supervise your child instead. Nobody has every said anything back to that.

Marshmallow91 · 01/02/2020 19:25

I would have done exactly the same as you. YANBU.

oncemorewithfeeling99 · 01/02/2020 19:25

I don't think you were wrong, but in my experience its never effective to go and discuss this with parents. If parents are clearly a long way off and not supervising I just say something short, polite, firm and teacher-is (I am a teacher). If parents are nearby I assume they will step in. If they don't, we leave. I'm not going to get into a row with another parent over it. If I had paid to go somewhere e.g. museum then I would speak as discretely as possible to a member of staff.

KatyCarrCan · 01/02/2020 19:26

I agree with you that boys and girls should be kept to the same standard. I wouldn't have spoken to the mum about it. I'd have dealt with it with the boy at the time eg please move, let the smaller children through, etc. And if he was very resistant, I'd then have moved my child. My experience is that if a parent isn't supervising then they don't care what their child is doing and there's no point speaking to them about it.

Gatehouse77 · 01/02/2020 19:27

I have no problem stopping unacceptable behaviour. I’ve asked teenagers to stop swearing around young children, move away from a play area if they’re smoking, etc.
I would have reacted similarly in the same situation. I don’t think I’d have taken it as far as you did but that doesn’t make you wrong. Or me right!

Jellycatfox · 01/02/2020 19:27

Ah! Thanks @MoaningMinniee, a new phrase for me!

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