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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

OP posts:
StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 15:17

No one is rounding you up and putting you on a train to Siberia.

Just because we haven't got to that stage (I'm not saying ever we will) doesn't make it remotely ok.

There is a nasty undercurrent of xenophobia in this country which never actually went away over the last 40-50 years. It may be a small number of the total population but it's very vocal.

I noticed the difference when I left London and especially since the referendum. I am British and white and have definitely noticed an increase in casually xenophobic comments made in front of me, although it's not at 1970s levels yet. In a town with almost no immigrants incidentally.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 15:22

There’s xenophobia everywhere. Good luck finding a country that doesn’t have it.

It’s part of our makeup as humans For some sadly.

So you are born into a country that’s ok. Quite tolerant and has good prospects or you move to one. If you can’t move to one because they won’t just take anyone, then you find another or you do the best with what you have. Life is simply not fair for 90% of people.

Op is not one of those 90%

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 01/02/2020 15:24

LOL there’s me posting a flipping essay and PrincessHoneysuckle distils it down to two words. 😂😂😂

Floribundance · 01/02/2020 15:25

I’m sorry OP. The first thing I did the day after the Brexit vote was apologise to my neighbours.

happyhappyme · 01/02/2020 15:30

Why apologise to your neighbours? Shock

I voted remain, I don't have to apologise to anybody for what other people chose to do, neither do you unless you voted Leave but presumably you didn't as if you'd thought it through enough to go and apologise then you wouldn't have voted leave.

My ancestors were German immigrants who found this country to be their place to be. I don't think they'd be impressed to see what it is turning in to.

randomsabreuse · 01/02/2020 15:31

We're English moving to Scotland- not because of Brexit - just job opportunities... but Brexit and the recent general election made it feel like a 'better' place for us.

We feel more in step with the generally expressed attitudes in Scotland, the political landscape is more centre left rather than lurching joyfully to the right and if we have to leave the EU we'd rather be surrounded by those who are sad about it rather than those celebrating it.

GabriellaMontez · 01/02/2020 15:32

bit dramatic

This.

cooldarkroom · 01/02/2020 15:33

I was shocked to see on the news here where I live (in the EU,) of some French chefs & bakers who have flourishing businesses in London, who employ many people, who've payed tax in the UK for the last 18 years have been refuses a "visa", What sort of nonsense is this ?
On the reverse side, I have also jumped through hoops here to get my citizenship, I am bilingual, I am married to a citizen of the country, I have lived here over 30 years, my kids were born here, my taxes paid here, the whole process was agony & took me over a year. There do seem to be double standards, within the EU too.

Porkeypine · 01/02/2020 15:36

@happyhappyme

No, but it sure puts things in to perspective 🙄

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 15:39

@cooldarkroom
That will be because that story is a lie.
He replied to the wrong application by accident, even though apparently he’s clever and rich and there’s tonnes of free advice.

He never even made a settlement application. I mean if that’s all the EU press can come up with that’s pathetic

Took me 5 seconds to google the truth.

fallfallfall · 01/02/2020 15:39

But OP, you are a new immigrant you are from Italy. You’ve moved to England for a reason. Why not embrace that phase of your family history?
If you’ve lived in the USA, you are aware that they wear their very old family histories and immigration stories with pride. 300 years on and people still claim being French Irish Spanish decent.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 15:39

Applied to the wrong application

Aragog · 01/02/2020 15:39

What’s dark about patriotism?

I think it is the TYPE of patriotism that we have been seeing on social media, linked to Brexit, that is the issue.

Floribundance · 01/02/2020 15:39

I apologised because one of the heavy anti immigrant flavour of the Brexit campaign. How would you feel, as an immigrant, if the papers, tv and radio were full of people talking about there being too many ‘immigrants’ and that’s why we should leave the EU?

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 15:41

Laughing at people complaining at forms here. You need a government stamp to change how you pay your tv license in Italy.

Porkeypine · 01/02/2020 15:41

@WhereShallWeMoveTo

Think you deserve recognition for you very well put together post. Superb

invisibleoldwoman · 01/02/2020 15:42

I am so sorry MonnaLiza. Flowers I feel heartbroken as well even though I am British. I feel ashamed of the words and actions of some of the British people.

DappledThings · 01/02/2020 15:42

Not much time say that hasn't been said but wanted to be another voice to say I don't blame you for feeling this way at all. I'm heartbroken too and that's without the added feeling of being unwelcome in my home.

It's awful OP and I'm sorry.

FFSFFSFFS · 01/02/2020 15:42

I am VERY pro remain and my eyes couldn't roll enough reading this.

You have to do some annoying paperwork. I had to do that because I'm from a Commonwealth country.

People seem to forgot that the EU itself excludes lots of people and is not inclusive itself.

You need to give your head a wobble and think about the many many many millions of people who have real reasons to be suffering rather than theoretical notions of national identity.

Casiloco · 01/02/2020 15:43

People feel what they feel and no-one can invalidate that. I completely understand OP - I am struggling to come to terms with the fact that my country, which I have always loved, is no longer a place I feel proud to be a part of.
You sound like just the kind of person who should be valued and welcomed here and I'm really sorry that you have been made to feel this way. Please remember that most surveys indicate that a majority do now want to remain (2-1 for the idiots who didn't even bother to vote!) so there are a huge number of Brits out there who are almost as devastated by the situation as you.

It leaves, unfortunately, a significant MINORITY - some of whom voted for reasonable reasons. Some were ignorant - including several close friends who admitted to me they were ignorant of some key facts AFTER the vote Confused and some of whom are just downright racist (yes, I know they are because I have talked to them and heard them make blatantly racist comments). The worst of it is some of these people I previously considered friends and that makes me so sad.

Taking away a part of someone's identity and finding that the country of your birth or residence is not quite the place you thought it was will naturally result in deep sadness - and it won't go away quickly.

Look after yourself OP and we Remoaners will be watching your back!!
Personally, I'm going to keep bloody moaning and won't be giving up until we are on our way back in to the EU even if that does not happen in my lifetime.

To be honest, we probably SHOULDN'T rejoin until we have dealt with some of the domestic issues that were the breeding ground for the extreme right rhetoric that led to all this or until such time as we have dealt with the cancer of nationalism.

Personally, I can't wait to GET MY COUNTRY BACK - you know the one we celebrated at the 2012 Olympics, the one which is a home for moderates, centrists and pragmatists. The nation which doesn't take itself too seriously, is grateful for its place in the world and its influence in the European project and which welcomes the gifts and skills of our European friends.

cooldarkroom · 01/02/2020 15:46

That's good to hear, they were however interviewed & were saying this to journalists,
I don't double check everything I see on the news obviously

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 01/02/2020 15:47

Thank you porky and lying

RhubarbTea · 01/02/2020 15:51

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

I understand, and I feel the same and I was born in the UK. It is so sad and I do get why you are feeling sombre today. I am too. Ignore the people on this thread saying your are being a sensitive little flower/overdramatic. I share your grief.
The current parallels with Germany in the 1930s are truly concerning.

karendamilf1987 · 01/02/2020 15:54

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 15:55

I think it is the TYPE of patriotism that we have been seeing

It's not patriotism. It's nationalism. There is a difference.