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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

OP posts:
Funkycats · 01/02/2020 14:45

OP, I am sad too. My MIL is an 'immigrant' - came here legally yet still had to apply for settled status after nearly 40 years. This is her home.
I've seen some horrible racist posts on fb today.
My best wishes to you. As far as I'm concerned, you are very welcome Flowers

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 01/02/2020 14:48

It seems only the British, or more specifically the English should feel ashamed for being patriotic.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

For you OP. You’ve seen how great things could be and indeed have been, for you. You saw your brighter future. Not everyone has benefitted from the UK being in the EU and more specifically from free movement like you have. Many people never saw a brighter future. Their lights have been dimmed for years if we are going to use that metaphor. Especially in more deprived and economically depressed areas outside of rich cities, they feel they’ve been forgotten, ignored and thrown under a bus.

I don’t begrudge you your happy successful life in the UK one bit and I’m sure you’ve been of huge value in whatever it is that you do here. In real life we’d quite possibly be friends and I’d no doubt champion you as an asset to the country. But have some empathy for those who genuinely feel their communities and job opportunities have been blighted or compromised by the effects of free movement as mass EU immigration at the other end of the scale. The non-middle class bread making end. You go to great lengths to demonstrate why we should feel lucky to have you, with your ‘Socially meaningful profession’ and your tax contributions, so I’ll take a punt that you don’t live at the coal face, as it were, of one of those blighted communities. And neither do I. Lucky us.

I know you are disappointed but get a grip. Stop being so melodramatic and self absorbed. No one is rounding you up and putting you on a train to Siberia. We haven’t rebuilt the Berlin Wall. Your life is, in almost every single way, exactly as it was before, just with a bit more annoying red tape and slightly less flexibility. Try living in France! If your biggest problem is that you couldn’t fill out some government form on your Apple phone then Oh that all our problems should be that small.

There is a wealth of information online to enable EU citizens to do what is required to stay, which is precious little actually, regardless of their income level, their language skills or their usefulness to us, and it’s not terribly expensive to do so, because in spite of all the accusations flung at us, we are pretty decent like that. There are even translation services and help if you are disabled and cannot fill the forms out yourself. So I do wish people would stop comparing the UK to Nazi Germany with all that ‘First they came for the Jews’ bollocks. Is a grossly unfair analogy, it’s disrespectful to the people who know how that felt and it’s really pissing me off.

You are still a European. We are still in Europe. We are ALL still European. The UK is no longer part of the EU - THAT. IS. ALL.

The lights are very much still on and will remain so, even they flicker a bit in the short term while we find our feet.

As much as we’ve been enriched by many of the EU citizens who have lived and worked here in recent years, we have suffered for it too. We’ve reached critical mass and something needed to change for the long term social and economic stability of the country. That’s just one reason Leavers voted as they did, but not the only reason.

And if you persist with thIs ridiculous insistence that Leavers can’t even articulate their reasons then a) you been haughtily dismissive of the ordinary person on the street who can’t necessarily provide you with the reams of empirical evidence as ‘proof’ of the issues they live with every day and b) you will find any sympathy there might be among the more decent Leave contingent rapidly evaporating because you will come across as arrogant and petulant.

I wish you well and I hope you stay. You deserve to stay. But if you think you are somehow punishing us by defecting to Ireland then I think you’ll be cutting off your nose to spite your face.🤷🏻‍♀️

Murrfect · 01/02/2020 14:48

😓 this thread is just another signal that the hurt and division isn’t any where near being healed.

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 01/02/2020 14:51

I’ve just gone back to the thread and seen you have Jewish ancestry and don’t want to go home to a racist Italy. Which makes some of what I just posted all the more pertinent.

Shinesweetfreedom · 01/02/2020 14:52

OP
Three out of the four of your family were born here so I don’t see your issue.
You say you are both well educated and therefore in reasonably paid jobs.
It is about uncontrolled immigration.Anyone could come,,no restriction on education,earnings potential.This has made it very hard for those in the lower sections of this country.They are the ones most affected,be it housing,cost of housing,jobs etc.

GarlicSoup · 01/02/2020 14:52

Crikey OP get a grip you have so much in your life to be thankful for.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 14:52

No this thread just shows that lots of people think it’s all about them personally.
And yes she can think and feel what she wants and I can tell her she’s a drama lama

I’m worse off than she is. And FYI someone spat at me in Italy once for being english. But you know I don’t tar everyone with the same brush

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 01/02/2020 14:53

My friend and I were shouted at recently for speaking a "foreign" language on a train in the Midlands.

We were speaking Welsh.

Porkeypine · 01/02/2020 14:54

Why would moving to Scotland make it easier for you? They’re out too!!

happyhappyme · 01/02/2020 14:56

OP I'd rather have you than any number of the racist bigots who formed part of the leave contingent.

SallyWD · 01/02/2020 14:57

I understand OP. My DH is a European immigrant and so is my brothers wife. My DH became a British citizen after the referendum so we have no fears he'll be kicked out. However, that's not the point! It's the fact that he and my sister in law (and all our European friends) no longer feel welcome. Brits just don't get it. All the endless news reports and interviews with people on TV saying they voted Brexit because of the immigrants. It has soured the whole experience of building their lives in this country. My DH wants to leave, I don't. It's horrible for families like ours.

aroundtheworldyet · 01/02/2020 14:58

But you are wanted. Aside from a small contingent you are wanted.
You folk need to get off Facebook and stop reading the dailymail

HelloClouds · 01/02/2020 15:00

Far too much drama here.

We lived in another EU country for several years. We had to apply for residency at the local police station. When we tried to become part of the state healthcare system the local health centre was hostile and unhelpful, but we managed it in the end. We were always 'the English' and my children never quite got used to being stared at in local restaurants! I speak the language well though and we attempted to integrate as much as possible.

Now we are back. Of course there are some racist idiots here - there are in every EU country as well (more in my experience). But the UK is still an open, diverse and welcoming country. We're still the same people.

StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 15:02

Leighhalfpennysthigh

Jesus wept. I hope you pointed out that a form of Welsh was spoken all over England before the Anglo Saxons arrived, and watched their heads explode Grin.

Jomarchsburntskirt · 01/02/2020 15:03

Don’t be heartbroken for GB. We’ll all get over it and life will go on.

DaphneDear · 01/02/2020 15:03

YANBU

I am heartbroken too ❤️

StarbucksSmarterSister · 01/02/2020 15:05

Many people never saw a brighter future. Their lights have been dimmed for years if we are going to use that metaphor. Especially in more deprived and economically depressed areas outside of rich cities

The fault of our own government, not the EU. Many deprived areas benefited from our membership.

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 01/02/2020 15:07

@StarbucksSmarterSister we were too busy laughing at them. Then switched to Czech just to annoy them a little bit more.....

Orangeblossom78 · 01/02/2020 15:07

As an aside the healthcare being free for the elderly and free university would be why I would move to Scotland rather that anything, they are out of the EU as well.

everythingisginandroses · 01/02/2020 15:10

Expats in Australia who think Brexit is fantastic. People who want to tell you they voted Brexshit, but won't say why. What a bunch of arses.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 01/02/2020 15:12

WheresShallWeMoveTo; that's such a thought-provoking post, thank you.

happyhappyme · 01/02/2020 15:13

OFGS I am sat in a hospital with my 17 year old in intensive care with a head injury. That is heartbroken!

Sorry about your 17 year old. Because you are heart broken doesn't mean other people can't be heart broken over other things.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 01/02/2020 15:13

Bit dramatic

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 01/02/2020 15:16

Well said, happyhappyme, it's not Top Trumps and it's bloody annoying.

CakeandCustard28 · 01/02/2020 15:16

I feel for you OP, it’s not a nice situation to be in especially with so many shitty racists about. In my eyes though you’ve been here twenty years, paying into the system you have every right to be here and I’m sure plenty of others will feel the same.

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