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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

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FishCanFly · 03/02/2020 19:34

MonnaLIsa i feel for ya. What scares me is that the SS gives no assurances for the future.

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 03/02/2020 19:36

People who say ‘Borders? I see no borders.’ are dangerous fools with no idea of the catastrophe that would befall the world if it actually happened. You think global warming will bring about the end of civilisation as we know it? Try having no borders. See how long we last before we descend into apocalyptic chaos and total world war then. Global warming would be the very, very least of our worries.

Porkeypine · 03/02/2020 20:11

@Lndnmummy

“And yes, being against “uncontrollable” immigration is a very very racist stance indeed. Because you fail to understand, or care, about the greater issue at stake.”

👆

You need to buy yourself a dictionary and look up the word ‘racist’.

Uncontrolled immigration is a problem and not just here!!!!!

Do you think most Americans think they should open the borders up to the hundreds of thousands/millions of Mexicans?? Just because you would consider it racist if they didn’t??

Porkeypine · 03/02/2020 20:15

@Lndnmummy

Try get a visa to live in Canada or Australia indefinitely, without having any skills their countries need.... they’d laugh you all the way back to the airport!!!

By your reckoning that would make them racist too then eh?? Don’t you think they should be allowed to chose the people that move to their country?

brownlilly · 03/02/2020 20:16

@midwestfornow, you see it as dragging everyone down.
This is the reality for large numbers of third national citizens. Why not consider it as an eye opener for the betterment of all. Why not revolt against the fact that so many are treated in such a manner.
OP are you really as naive as to think that what you are experiencing is unique?

brownlilly · 03/02/2020 20:26

**Why are you wishing Ill to the Brits abroad?
Where have I?

midwestfornow · 03/02/2020 20:27

Yes why not @brownlilly why not push for ex commonwealth countries to be given enhanced reciprocal arrangements?
I would love my dc to have kept their EU freedoms and gained further ones from other countries. I want my dc to have as many opportunities as possible not the fewest we create.
Sadly I foresee a significant backlash against all immigrants is being stoked EU and third countries.

BumbleBree · 03/02/2020 20:30

I think you’re being a bit dramatic. Drama isn’t going to get us anywhere but depressed. Anyway it is a shame with you already living here and having family that you have this feeling. The nob who told you to speak English would pick on someone else for any other thing because that’s what folk like that do. It’s still your home. Your friends, family, neighbours, colleagues never changed at the stroke of 11pm on the 31st and decided they don’t want you any more. I also don’t get what moving to Scotland would achieve. Maybe nice for you but being completely honest it probably wouldn’t be better for them to move to a country where have this ‘English Bad!’ mentality. You’ll be in the same position but your kids probably worse off, leaving friends, school or whatever. Before anyone says Scotland’s not like that - no not all, but I have been disgusted the last few years at the hatred from some towards the English! NS says anyone welcome here but that’s really to stick it to Boris and co. And gain more support for Independence up here.

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 20:54

. @alonelonelyloner thank you!! You sound great too.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 20:57

@constancesalingers and all who are bored: other threads are available. Please go chisel your erudite aphorisms in the "shall I spread jam from left to right or from right to left" thread.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 21:10

@tiddlesthecat I missed your post in the deluge of this thread. I am so sorry about your husband and your troubles. It really made me think. I have had a couple of challenging years recently. I lost a very well paid job in 2017 and three people very close to me died, yet Brexit broke my heart more than these three things. Why is that? Was it the compound effect? My mum was really ill a couple of years ago. Like your husband she nearly died, and yet I did not go in desperation mode but in survival mode. I would never had described myself as heartbroken. I had to fight. Some when these people in my family died, I had to be strong for the children. But Brexit gets to me in a way these things did not even if these events were obviously looming larger in my life and had a deeper emotional impact. Why? I think I need to do some thinking there. I wish you and your husband all the best and thank you for the gift of your time and your words.

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LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 03/02/2020 21:10

You've changed quite a bit in your posts, OP. I have every sympathy for posters who are feeling displaced or sad because of the result; I didn't want it either.

That said, you seem to be responding only to those posters who are rushing to agree with you about how horrible Britain is now. I don't have sympathy for that, it is self-indulgent and it's doing a huge disservice to the majority of Brits who are not racist or unwelcoming.

This isn't your thread and you can't chuck people off it. Posters perhaps posted because they thought it was a bit of a different thread post-Brexit, not the usual crap where leavers are villified ad nauseumm. But it is just that.

You voted remain, so did I. But it was done for ourselves, not the greater good and for some, it wasn't good at all. Have some empathy for others not in our fortunate positions.

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 21:16

@brumblebee some interesting points thank you.

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Bluerussian · 03/02/2020 21:35

"I believe that one day there won't be countries and nations but there will only be people"

I would like that too, it has always been my ideal; I'm 70 and until the last few years I felt we were getting there inch by inch. Not now. Blind prejudice - fear has palpably influenced society.

I'm sorry about the result, wanted to remain and didn't quite believe we would leave the EU.

It won't affect me particularly but I am concerned about younger generations.

LochJessMonster · 03/02/2020 21:51

choosing a country, it's not for me. I am an internationalist. My country is the world. then why are you so heartbroken that this country apparently doesn’t want you?

Your posts are sounding more and more unhinged

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 22:07

@bluerussian - you are about the same age of my parents. People born in the late 40s-early 50s have got the reputation to be rather conservative politically but some of the most hardcore idealists I know are in their 70s. People who came of age in the 1960s and who still dare to dream hard.

I think we should not be scared to imagine a better world. This is just a blip, some pp said. It will pass. Things will get better for us idealists.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 22:18

@LochJessMonster I don't exactly have pleasing you in mind when I live my life you know :)

Let's get to an agreement, I do my crazy unhinged thing, dreaming of peace and love whilst making marmellata di arance, and you do your thang sister, you do whatever you happy leavers do, I don't know, go embroider a union jack on a cushion sewn from the thick skin of immigrants.

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ConstanceSalinger · 03/02/2020 22:24

whatever you happy leavers do, I don't know, go embroider a union jack on a cushion sewn from the thick skin of immigrants

You're not crazy and unhinged.

You're deeply unpleasant.

Livelovebehappy · 03/02/2020 22:28

We can’t have uncontrolled immigration. We don’t have enough housing, our NHS can’t cope with the increased population, our schools are bursting at the seams, our welfare system is collapsing. But the people who think we should have an open door policy where we can all squeeze in together are the sort of people who aren’t affected by these issues; they’re in Bupa, their DCs go to private schools or grammar schools, they’re homeowners and they don’t need to rely on benefits. It’s so easy to be an idealist when you’re in your own bubble, not affected by the huge impact open door immigration would have on the U.K.

MidnightCircus · 03/02/2020 22:28

In fairness constance she did say she was gonna do her crazy unhinged thing. That doesn't rule out unpleasant and that comment is definitely bonkers

Sarcelle · 03/02/2020 22:33

OP is special. In her head.

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 22:35

"I am an internationalist. My country is the world" yeah, but you're still gonna have to fill the forms in grin"

whereas you, madame Constance Salinger have the wit of Oscar Wilde and the elegant turn of phrase of Marguerite Yourcenar all distilled into a uniquely distinctive prose. I particularly like how you use 'gonna have', it gives it a sort of staccato rhythm, like a Beatles song of the Let it be period.

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midwestfornow · 03/02/2020 22:36

@Livelovebehappy I suspect you might find the NHS is under more strain once EU immigrants leave than it was before.
Overall the contribution made by EU immigrants was more than they took.
It is useful to understand what issues around the welfare state are, they are an aging population and austerity not immigrants.
If we don't understand the issues we have we are never going to be able to fix them.

Livelovebehappy · 03/02/2020 22:38

constancesalinger glad someone else has seen past the smiley lovely persona op is trying to present. I sense op that the smiley faces mask deep seated anger and resentment which you’re struggling to keep contained at the moment.

ConstanceSalinger · 03/02/2020 22:39

Sure MonnaLIsa Sure. Thing is, I can educate myself. Sadly you're stuck like that.

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