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to be heartbroken

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MonnaLIza · 01/02/2020 12:35

It's a beautiful, sunny day. I am healthy. I have a new job, which I love. I also love my DH and kids and I am loved by them. We own a good home, a 'machine for living in', with room for everyone, and we can afford food and occasional treats such as days out and holidays. We bake bread, make muffins (which sometimes turn out to be edible) and go support our local football team. We are all reasonably educated and articulate, fully tax solvent and in socially meaningful professions (that's me and DH, our kids are in education).

And yet, there is a definitely low mood in the house today, and this is not just because I am recovering from clinical depression. Today, even if nothing seems different, is the first day of my life as an 'outsider'. I am no longer a EU citizen in my own country but officially an 'other'. An immigrant.

I am now somebody who needs to prove their right to be here, in their own home. Another layer of bureaucracy, more practical struggles. But it's the change in my 'status' that breaks my heart. I am no longer part of this country which I have made my home for the last twenty years.

Yes, I have 'settled status', an invisible document, which I have obtained in a much less easy way that the government would like you to think (for instance I could not use my iPhone to register as it only worked on android phones). An invisible document which proclaims to be valid until it's valid. No doubt in the future there will be more hoops to jumps, more papers to fill and i just hope these hoops and jumps will come when I am fit, young and tech-savy enough to be able to jump them.

I will, of course, snap out of this, but at the moment I am, I think not unreasonably, heartbroken.

And my biggest heartbreak is not for me - Katie Hopkins compared immigrants to cockroaches for our resilience and, ultimately, I am resilient. When I realised the industry I was in was getting destroyed by Brexit and austerity I got another job. I have qualifications and skills. I will survive in my immigrant-coackrochy ways.

No, my biggest heartbreak is for Britain itself, for the people who have been interviewed on TV who are celebrating Brexit without being able to articulate one single benefit of it to their life. I have lived in this country long enough to have seen another Britain, a multicultural, vibrant, accepting country, where having an accent and coming from somewhere else was considered an exciting, interesting thing. I can still see that in some enlightened places, which are increasingly engulfed by the darkness of 'patriotism'.

I guess I am heartbroken because I had not only imagined a brighter future, I had seen how great things can be, and now the lights are going off.

We are discussing moving to Scotland or Ireland. It would be easy for me and my DH but harder on their kids. They are born in England, they are English. What to do - stay and resists? Move?

I do not know yet. I will know soon, we will talk and make plans.

But today I am heartbroken.

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WhereShallWeMoveTo · 03/02/2020 15:44

LndnMummy yes it will solve uncontrollable or uncontrolled immigration. They mean exactly the same thing for the purposes of this argument.

Currently we have some control over non EU immigration but we have no control over EU immigration (or migration.)

Under EU freedom of movement rules we do not have the right or the means to control it. Therefore it is uncontrollable. Once freedom of movement ends, we will have some control. As the OP said to me earlier, it’s really not that difficult to grasp.

I cannot for the life of me see how this is a ‘very, very racist stance’ by all means please explain it to me.

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 03/02/2020 15:46

Well said Sarcelle

ConstanceSalinger · 03/02/2020 15:53

So the OP is not heartbroken at all really. They're just having a tantrum.

This is your country of choice, you've both contributed and benefited by living here.

What are YOU going to do now OP? Move or stay and moan?

Fwiw I voted remain.

NewYearsRevolution2020 · 03/02/2020 15:55

I really think that during the New Labour years things changed so much for some communities that the seeds of Brexit were sown then. Globalisation, the change the internet brought on society and traditional structures and beliefs, the rise of secularism as a unifying force compared to traditional religion and its embedded practices plus the number of confident, young, assertive Europeans here, taking control of their lives and getting on with things was so much to take in for some people. I think they kept waiting for guidance, representation and recognition and when it didn’t come real hurt set in. I was told to ‘get the boat’ the day after Brexit by my TA in a school in the borough I grew up in! The people who think like this believe they were abandoned and I can see the gap between them and the people they dislike is huge. In my mind, this could have been better dealt with by acknowledging that many traditional working class communities are told to abide by certain ideas and ‘rules’ - pretending that was n’t so is disingenuous.

I think some animosity and division was engineered and really should have been anticipated and a counter offence should have been put in place.

loobyloo1234 · 03/02/2020 16:03

@callmeadoctor

So sorry about your DC Flowers I agree, there are a lot more important things to be heartbroken about than Brexit

Viletta · 03/02/2020 16:27

I am not European so my legal status is not affected by Brexit. I do understand the worry that you feel less welcome here. I worry too. However I believe that kind people are still kind and angry people are as angry as they were before the referendum. I hope it'll settle down soon. I am lucky to live in a Labour anti-Brexit area of the UK and work in a very left wing company with highly educated multinational people.

HelloClouds · 03/02/2020 17:03

And I make no apologies to say that who voted Tory was a bit of a klutz. You know... Turkeys... Xmas....

It seems to me that the "multicultural, accepting" society that you approve of only works in one direction, OP. You don't sound very "accepting" of the millions of people (many of whom don't have the advantages that you do) who voted Tory.

By the way, I voted to remain but I'm not happy about the endless sneering by some remainers at working-class people who apparently don't know what's good for them.

Songsofexperience · 03/02/2020 18:08

endless sneering by some remainers at working-class people who apparently don't know what's good for them.

I don't think it's sneering, it's more concern. Like when one of your friends ends up in a toxic relationship. It doesn't mean they're thick, or weak, but you know it will end in tears nonetheless.

WhereShallWeMoveTo · 03/02/2020 18:29

Oh I think there’s definitely been more than a bit of sneering.

brownlilly · 03/02/2020 18:32

**Imagine how being an immigrant was for the non-white “immigrants” of Britain’s ex-colonies. Imagine the welcome (ha), the adjustment to food, culture, language, climate - imagine the in-your-face racism from people with less to offer the nation than you with, who screamed at you that they owned your country after robbing it from you, and that you should go back to it. You would have come here in a promise of prosperity following political deals struck between HM’s govt and whatever puppet leaders it allowed to be installed on its way out. Your home country, having been pillaged and drained for Britain’s coffers, offered less to your children than the promises given before you left.

Save your heartbreak. Nothing significant is happening to you. You will be fine. What you’re bemoaning is the loss of an advantage that many millions before you, and many many millions around the world could only dream of. Fill in your paperwork, stand in your queues, shake off your malaise and save your emotional energy for people who really need it. Get a grip.

I wouldn't be as blunt but share your sentiment.
Now is the time that Brits abroad and Eu citizens in Britain are subjected to the same regulations that 'others' have been subjected to for so long.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 03/02/2020 18:39

I don't think it's sneering, it's more concern absolute crap! Otherwise people would recognise that the undercutting of low skilled workers has had an impact!

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 18:46

@Lndnmummy well done you! Honestly don't take it personally these people are just jealous of your cosmopolitanism and good fortune. This country is blessed to have people like you!

@zafferana grazie mille however I feel many contrasting emotions but powerless isn't one of them. And this blind patriotism, choosing a country, it's not for me. I am an internationalist. My country is the world. You may say that people don't have the right to live where they want. I disagree. I believe just that. And maybe my thought that seem crazy now maybe one day it will be a common notion, like vote for women. I believe that one day there won't be countries and nations but there will only be people. I believe in goodness and ideal and that one day we will get there.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 18:48

@viletta that is awesome. Smilethank you for your support.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 18:50

@brownlilly. What? What kind of reasoning is that? Should not we aim to be all happier and fairer instead of scoring points? Why are you wishing Ill to the Brits abroad?

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 18:52

@newyearsrevolution I very much liked your analysis and your post. Very insightful.

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MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 18:56

@Nonnymum thank you for your lovely posts. Smile

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midwestfornow · 03/02/2020 19:01

@brownlilly wishing everyone to be dragged down to worst treatment anyone has had is a dangerous way to structure a society.
It would lead to even lower levels of investment in health, education and worker's rights for example.
If we hadn't stepped up to change working conditions then small poor children would still be working six days a week.
The politics of envy diminishes everyone.
Also do you think that stirring up a sea of racial resentment won't impact a wider range of people than just EU citizens? That seems naive at best.
Once people start othering it can be hard to get them to stop.

Casiloco · 03/02/2020 19:01

WhereShallWeMoveTo

Oh dear, yet another error. Immigration CAN be controlled within FOM, so within EU.

UK chose not to implement the freedom to ask EU migrants to go home if not either self-sufficient (living independently without benefits) OR working.

Get your facts straight please.

MonnaLIza · 03/02/2020 19:01

"Their arguments were paper thin. I see the world hasn't come to an end as forecast. No need for stockpiling. Plenty of jobs. Plenty of workers rights."

Omg this has really made me giggle!!! GB hasn't really left yet!! Nothing has changed yet. Do you know that there isn't a deal as such but a withdrawal agreement? Honestly I have to censor myself now.

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WhereShallWeMoveTo · 03/02/2020 19:17

I do know that actually Casilico (thanks Tony Blair Hmm ). But having done it, we can’t change it retrospectively.

This article is good for explaining the nuts and bolts of it.

Livelovebehappy · 03/02/2020 19:20

Yes, please do censor yourself OP. Your posts are becoming tedious, self absorbed and erm, a tad patronising.🙂 You’re fine, and have a hell of a lot more to be thankful for than most people.

ConstanceSalinger · 03/02/2020 19:29

Same shit different day, here you go OP Star

I am an internationalist. My country is the world yeah, but you're still gonna have to fill the forms in Grin

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 03/02/2020 19:30

I believe that one day there won't be countries and nations but there will only be people
Hmm

Do you champion an open door immigration policy with Somalia and Eritrea for example?

Alonelonelyloner · 03/02/2020 19:32

Goodness me this thread rattled on apace.

I'm an emigrant and OP I think you sound lovely and I would love to share a bottle of red with you and feel sad about Britain's future.

I'm from Edinburgh but will only return if Scotland gets its independence. Scotland though, generally speaking is bloody marvellous.

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