To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

All those people who didn’t like the Eu have had to cope for the last 45 years, now they get their way for a while

No way are there people out there who haven't liked the EU for 45 years. Only ten years ago a huge poll showed that only 2% of the electorate were unhappy with the EU. Another 6 or 7% listed 'immigration' as their worry. So something somewhere went terribly wrong - probably lies and misinformation. I have no idea what those who changed from not having a worry about the EU... to voting in a referendum wanting out... were thinking.

I so strongly felt there should have been a 2nd vote, I know quite a few people who changed their minds when implications became clearer. To leave with such a close vote and little information is beyond bonkers. If there had been a 2nd vote the result would've been very different I think.

The vote as to whether to stay in the European Community (as it was called then) moving on from the 'Common Market' was a huge majority... 67% yes, 32% no. It was in 1975, I voted yes. I was excited, I was going to travel !

I think if the vote in 2016 had been a resounding majority I might feel slightly different than I do today. It wasn't. It was very close and it split the country.

I don't think Nigel Farage has appeared very often since the referendum - 3 or 4 times perhaps

6 times actually. And he'd done the damage before the referendum

I called my Mum a smug 3rd country national today because she was crowing about it.

It's all about language. If the yes campaign had won the Scottish independence referendum you'd have seen the parties from Mars.

To them, it would be absolutely the normal response to winning their hard fought campaign.

But when people you don't agree with celebrate, this is seen as 'gloating'.

I'm a remainer but I lost patience with these endless double standards and leaps of logic years ago. Scots who want to use brexit as a lever for indy2 better be careful what they do and say right now. I won't forget and I know others won't either.

As you say we are in the tranistion period so there wouldn't have been any disasters yet. So any gloating is premature. Hopefully we will get a decent trading agreement quickly and remainers (legitimate) fears about no deal Brexit will never come to pass.

@KatherineJaneway - what's your point exactly?

@Clavinova - there were 16 Lib Dem MEPs...

@Clavinova

Regarding the racist note in a block of flats. It is not fabricated. The police are investigating. The article even shows the name of the building.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/brexit-sign-posted-to-tower-block-in-norwich-1-6494262

It was actually Norwich not London.

I voted Remain but was not unsympathetic to Leave. I think the whole thing has completely descended into emotional attachment to whichever way you voted and the over-the-top dramatics from both sides are about that emotion more than the facts. Pointless mudslinging and denunciation of the other side. I hope it stops soon.

We all have one life. If there is an election and my preferred party doesn’t win, I can either accept it and make sure it affects me as little as possible or I can spend the following four years grumbling to the detriment of myself & everyone around me

This!

If the referendum had gone the way of the remainers I'd have accepted it. What alternative is there?? Where will whining and complaining to all and sundry actually get me? And how are some of so sure that leaving the EU will be a huge disaster? Have you got crystal ball to look into the future?

The impact of the referendum is rather more long term than that of an election.

And as yet none of us know what impact it will actually have.
Unless someone has a Crystal ball.

I’m a remainer and to be fair, most of the nastiness and viscous stuff I’ve seen has been from our side

Ive been told im a traitor on here and that I should go back to my own country

And if I don’t like the result i should leave the country

Which was nice

Some people on mumsnet have said dreadful things no matter what they voted

Oh and stupid and racist...and a few other things as well

But how do you 'make sure it affects me as little as possible'? Just how?

We can't change laws, restrictions on movements, elimination of worker protections, .... flooding the supermarkets with american meat (87 pesticides they use are banned by the EU, hormone fed beef, chlorinated chicken etc. If you think that you can look at the country of origin, forget that, US are insisting on removing any trace of the country), higher energy bills... we can no longer negotiate pricing... the list goes on...

So as much as I would like to make sure all these things don't affect me, they do and there's nothing I can do to change that.

we should just accept it? Like Farage has done for years, you mean? Despite him saying that if the vote had been 52% to remain, he would view it as unfinished business? That kind of acceptance you mean?

Much as I view the EU as having problems, I firmly believe that to leave it will weaken the UK both politically and economically, from within and without.

Not being part of the EU is bad enough. There is real potential that Scotland and NI may leave the Union within the next 10 years. The UK will be diminished in all ways.

This isn't about having a "crystal ball", it's about listening to what the government, who WANT this clusterfuck, are saying.

Passivity and apathy at this point, is like being sheep rounded up into a pen. Some may be happy to go into the pen. Others who don't want to, damn well want to be sure it's the best pen possible, and fit for purpose. Shrugging shoulders and meekly following the others in will not hold the shepherd accountable. And to serve democracy, the public SHOULD hold their elected leaders accountable for their actions and make sure that they work in the best interests of ALL the electorate.

If we all sit back, shrug our shoulders and say "whatever", we are giving the government the message that we don't care what they do with their mandate. That isn't democracy. That's voting to place oneself in an unquestioning dictatorship.

Ironic considering one of the slogans of leaving the EU was "taking back control". It's pretty pathetic to take back control and then throw that control at politicians with a stance of "nothing to do with me". Leavers voted for this, so make damn sure that you take an interest in what you voted for. Because you WILL be blamed if it goes to shit.

Leavers can tell people "it's up to the politicians now" all they want. They can abdicate responsibility until the cows come home. But that DOESNT mean that if this goes to shit, we won't blame you. We will. Loudly and openly. Like a 5 year old doesn't get to decide that their actions dont have consequences because they decide it's "not their fault", this applies more so to adults.

So please don't tell remainers who we can and can't blame. Actions have consequences. I shall blame the politicians AND the people who voted for this mess.

SirChing

Actions do have consequences.

whether its how you vote or calling people names.

In the same way that you will blame voters and politicians, I will also blame all those people that refused to listen to people's problems and shutdown any discussion over the past god knows how many years, until we have found ourselves in this mess.

I will accept my part in this but I am not going to accept responsibility for other people's actions just because you and others say that its the fault of Brexit voters. It is the fault of so much more, and its amazing how many people from both sides won't take any responsibility for their part in any of this whilst decrying the other side.

@BoneyBackJefferson Sorry, I'm not following. How are people who didn't vote to leave the EU in any way responsible for us leaving the EU?

Logic would say that it's the people who voted for it who managed it all by themselves

I will also blame all those people that refused to listen to people's problems and shutdown any discussion over the past god knows how many years, until we have found ourselves in this mess

So politicians then? Who I have already said I blame?

Until the referendum was announced, there weren't any such thing as Brexiteers or Remainers (unless you were a member of UKIP).

I am struggling to see how a group of people who didn't exist, failed to listen to another group of people, who also didn't exist (as polls show only 2% of people thought the EU was an issue prior to the referendum) and that becomes the fault of remainers

It was a splendid victory for you, so I am not sure WHY you would be so eager to share "responsibility" when you have got precisely what you wanted.

@BoneyBackJefferson Also interested to see where the name calling is. Are we reading different threads? I haven't called anyone any names. If Someone has made a personal attack, then please do report it as it isn't what I want at all.

Plom, what a nasty little post.

How sneering and Vile.

Was the social club in Workington not posh enough for you? Do you feel they were too un educated to vote?
What a crashing snob.

Plom that was 08.55 post about Tina leaving her un skilled minimum wage job.

Arf op at holding leaders to account and not being sheep in a pen 😂😂 the irony!

How do I, hold guy de v to account when he demands ever closer union!

What on earth am I supposed to do about it!!

What do I do when the eu says... Al pensions need to be leveled out across the union.

How can I change anything!
I can barely keep up to date with UK politicians let alone knowing all about eu ones

@WeSavedSallySally Rem, you consider those things when you vote which MEP you want to return? And examine their policies. Just like, you know, our MPs.

I can barely keep up to date with UK politicians let alone knowing all about eu ones

And your lack of time should have an effect on any of this, because? If you haven't got time to keep informed, then how on earth do you know what goes on in the EU?

There are MEPs which are the equivalent of our MPs. And the commission which is the equivalent of our civil service. We don't elect our civil servants. So I fail to see how the EU is less democratic than the UK.

But anyway, you have won so hurrah for you who didn't have time to read relevant information. Well done. Truly!

@SirChing
Do you really think that the brexit vote only stands in that moment?

There are many moment that have led up to this.

Anyone that has refused to listen to anyone else's fears have led up to this. Not just politicians.

I haven't said that you have called anyone names but others have shouldn't they take responsibility for that?

It was a splendid victory for you, so I am not sure WHY you would be so eager to share "responsibility" when you have got precisely what you wanted.

Again you are saying what other people should think and feel, and you can't see how this could possibly affect a vote?

As for what I wanted, you have no idea, although I have said as much in other threads. Also as I have been placed in the leavers camp because seeing and trying to discuss the opposite side is seen as being a leaver, that is where I will stay.