To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

@BigPinkFlower it isn't the people who work there who benefit from the donations though. Even though they do seem rather politicised for a charity. It could just be the people who work there who have done it.

It is professionally run and the manager was in. It wasn't just a few over excited volunteers.

4 years of childish histrionics from remainers who didn’t get their own way.

And this shit is why the two "sides" will never see eye to eye.

It was hardly 4 years of childish histrionics. It was pointing out the pitfalls, questioning the Government, fact checking, calling out the lies that were told, and all against a backdrop of a biaised media at times.

Look at BBC Question Time... Fartage was on there spreading his vitriol nearly 40 times. And where were the pro EU MEP's... they weren't allowed. Yes they had MEPs on 50 times but every single one was a Brexit supporter. Not a Labour, a Lib Dem or a Green MEP. No wonder we are bitter.

So please don't talk to me about childish histrionics... we were fighting bias.

I'm sad the EU became the way it did to a extent I couldn’t live with it and wanted out

I completely agree, and while we're way beyond that now, the real pity is that it didn't have to be like this. The whole thing could easily have been more or less kept to the trading bloc it was originally meant to be, but sadly that's not how empire building bureaucrats behave when given a little power, a lot of funding and the chance of yet more

In many ways it's a shame the UK didn't vote to leave back in 1975, when some of the aims were already becoming clear to those who chose to look ... but they didn't, so we are where we are

Babynamechangerr

It has been pointed out to both sides and MN that this should happen yet it never does.

bingbangbing

You don't have to post anything. You don't have to get out of bed as far as I'm concerned.

Yet you are complaining that people are not posting their reasons

My point is, that there is a victim mentality here which is wierd for the side that won.

Once again ignoring the vitriol that has been spouted on various threads over the last 4 years.

A "I'm not telling you what my reasoning is because you'll call me names, you moaning, snowflake vulture you!" point of view.

Which is more than a touch ironic.

Not really on a thread where neither side is holding the moral high. ground.

every single time something negative happens as a result of leaving, and anyone who voted leave has the audacity to moan, I will be saying "you won, get over it, you knew exactly what you were voting for"

What they say is up to the individual, but it might be worth making sure whatever-it-is has really happened because of Brexit first ... after all, some of us are old enough to remember the rampant blame-shifting and profiteering which happened around decimalisation, which some blamed for absolutely anything that went wrong whether it was justified or not

In the same way, for too many years "the evil cuts" have been a handy excuse for the incompetent - even those whose departments were awash in cash - and it's entirely possible this could be the same

Time will tell, though

And yet polls show that in the rest of Europe, large majorities are still very happy with the EU in its current form. Most people don't mind that it's become more than a trading bloc. (And we should respect the opinion of the majority right?)

The two big exceptions are England and France, not coincidentally the two countries that used to be global imperial powers and chafe at any restrictions, real or imagined.

Unfortunately the UK will find out that the world has moved on, it is not the global power it used to be, and the freedom championed by leavers will actually make it incredibly vulnerable as it seeks new trade treaties with every other country in the world.

Funny how people say that Mumsnet is very Remain focused. I see far more Leave voters on here than in my social circle / work environment. Far more.

dreamingbohemian

It would be more correct to say that large areas are happy with the EU. In the same way that it would be correct to say that large areas are unhappy with the EU.

The last time I looked Greece was particularly happy either (but that was a while ago)

Guy on LBC today hoping that brexit will provide the funds for more nurses and police on the streets, solve the homeless problem and foodbanks, improve the overall infrastructure of the country, north/south divide etc and he's not the only one.
Great honourable aspirations but why would an even more right wing government fixated with the libertarian US way of doing things really be ideologically disposed to more state intervention ?
Sadly that demonstrates that average joe has little understanding about politics/political ideology so essentially they lap up the idealistic soundbites without knowing the full story. Look at the many brexiteer connections with think tanks like the atlantic bridge etc and you will see that their aspirations for the uk are very different

Funny how people say that Mumsnet is very Remain focused. I see far more Leave voters on here than in my social circle / work environment. Far more.

Look back at Brexit threads over the last few years. Leavers are always branded thick as mince racist at the very least.

• racists

polls show that in the rest of Europe, large majorities are still very happy with the EU in its current form ... the two big exceptions are England and France

That's their choice to make of course, but while the net beneficiaries will no doubt stay happy, I believe the Dutch are also among those becoming restive - and with them, the UK and France that's 3 out of the top 10 contributors both by GDP and per capita

Were I one of the EU apparatchiks, I don't believe I'd be entirely sanguine about that ...

The Guardian has run a feature of reaction to Brexit by a variety of people in different professions throughout Europe. This one summed up my sentiments pretty well, as well as encapsulating the general feeling, I think among many in Europe. It’s not so much about the respective short to midterms economic gains/losses, but about something much bigger: joint purpose and cooperation in solving humanity’s biggest challenges now and in the future. How sad that a once proud and incredibly ambitious country as Britain, which once lead the charge to bring light to the world (albeit in the questionable form of empire) is now retreating into itself. In 2050, the current and future economic giants of China, the US, and India will be looking to the EU as an equal when faced with the big decisions. Britain can and will shout from the sidelines alongside the likes of Brazil, Indonesia, and Japan, and South Africa, though it will likely have less economic clout than all of these even and it’s influence will wane.

Carlo Rovelli,Theoretical physicist
This sends a dark message to the planet.
What breaks my heart in Britain leaving the European project is the dark message that Brexit delivers to the entire planet: every nation for itself, instead of collaborating for the common good; everybody making its own rules, instead of searching for common ground; every group competing with the others, instead of solving the common problems together. Brexit is a step in the direction of disintegration, disunity, confrontation; a path that has proven dramatically dangerous so many times in the past. Instead of treasuring its unique contribution to global civilisation and leading the planet towards recognising that we are a large, fragile family, Britain sends a powerful message of darkness.
We desperately need brotherhood – coming together, not breaking apart. The real issue is not the short- or middle-term economic advantage: it is what kind of future humanity we are building. As a scientist, as an Italian, but most of all as a human being, I am deeply saddened.

It would be more correct to say that large areas are happy with the EU. In the same way that it would be correct to say that large areas are unhappy with the EU.

Except that one of those is larger than the other, that's my point.

It's amazing how a 52% majority is enough to bring the UK out of the EU forever and musn't be challenged but any pro-EU majority doesn't really mean anything.

But that's democracy. We all got a vote and more (4%) voted out than in. It's not a massive majority but they were the rules.

Where is the proEU majority? Mumsnet?

I wish I had the crystal ball that all the Remainers have access to that tells them in great detail everything that is going to happen. No one knows. It’s never been done before so who knows? Like starting a new job or moving to a new area. Will it go well? Who knows. But you make the decision as to whether to leave it remain based on the information you gave at the time. The EU started out as a great idea. What it is now bears little resemblance to what it was and not in a good way. It’s now up to everyone to make the best of what we have, just as we always have done.

Can anybody tell us what you have got your country back from please?

Straight bananas? Or is it bendy bananas? Im a remainer so I am too,stupid to understand the complexities of why the shape of bananas is so important. I'm also so stupid that even after leavers have been educating me about how we are getting our freedom back I still can't understand what exactly they mean....same with sovereignty.....has the Queen been in exile,in France and I haven't realised it?

I believe the Dutch are also among those becoming restive

This is part of the problem, people basing their opinions on what they 'believe'. Actually 78% of Dutch people polled last year said their country benefits from being in the EU. They're not leaving.

www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/elections-press-kit/4/surveys-in-all-member-states

I'm sorry to single out individual posters, I don't want to rehash old debates, but if you want to know why remainers won't shut up, it's partly because there are still so many misunderstandings flying around. This idea that all these other countries also hate the EU and are going to leave is really exaggerated.

We all have one life. If there is an election and my preferred party doesn’t win, I can either accept it and make sure it affects me as little as possible or I can spend the following four years grumbling to the detriment of myself & everyone around me.
When I didn’t get my first choice of university, I could either waste three years whining or I could make the best of the alternatives and move on with life.
This is the same.

All those people who didn’t like the Eu have had to cope for the last 45 years, now they get their way for a while.

What goes around comes around.

In 2050, the current and future economic giants of China, the US, and India will be looking to the EU as an equal when faced with the big decisions

There seem to me to be two issues there, Cam: first the question of whether the EU will still be there in 2050 (and if it is, whether it will have any real cohesion), and secondly - since you mentioned economics - the point that so much could have been achieved if they'd simply stuck with the original "Common Market"

As said, I appreciate the ship sailed long ago on the second one, but it's also worth remembering that the US, China and India are countries in their own right - diverse and full of challenges of course, but countries nevertheless

And for me that's the point: I honestly never believed they'd be able to shoehorn France and Finland, Greece and Germany, Holland and Hungary, etc, into the same straitjacket and expect it to last

@Mintjulia and they spent 45 years whining - because it mattered to them. I hardly think moaning for 1/10th of the time (when the vote was so narrow and would have been invalid due to irregularities had it been bunding) is unreasonable. Especially as the vote in the 70s was to GAIN rather than lose rights, like this one is.

MEPs - but every single one was a Brexit supporter

I've certainly seen Mairead McGuinness on QT - 2 or 3 times. I don't think Nigel Farage has appeared very often since the referendum - 3 or 4 times perhaps.The Lib Dems only had one MEP - she probably couldn't spare the time.