To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

I don’t really understand what you want? You say you won’t / can’t move on and it’s all too important to do that.

What are you planning to do instead?

@TeddybearBaby make damn sure we hold the government to account, and campaign to rejoin.

They cant issue a maroon one

Yes they can. Up until mid 2020 you might get either blue or maroon.

Oh, and every single time something negative happens as a result of leaving, and anyone who voted leave has the audacity to moan, I will be saying "you won, get over it, you knew exactly what you were voting for".

It seems that a major difference between leavers and remainers, is that remainers often had personal reasons for being aware of just how much this clusterfuck would effect them and everyone else. They saw the negatives, either due to trading with the EU, or having family from the EU etc.

Whereas leavers seem to have viewed the EU as a rather nebulous concept, that only affected their lives as told to them by the media, rather than personal experience.

Yes, and Croatia, for instance has a dark blue passport despite being a member. The EU only advises the maroon one. It is not obligatory.

What are you planning to do instead?

The long road to sanity starts now...

I do think the focus should now be on the government to make it work. It needs both leavers and remainers to come together to do that, to ensure that the government has to take responsibility and not pass the buck. Instead of the 2 groups insulting each other they need to focus on the government. They are the ones responsible for what happens now and remain voters need to accept that leave voters have no more power in this situation than they do. Leave voters are no more in control now than remain voters it's in the hands of the government lead by Boris (heaven help us)

I know this is fanning the flames but it did make me laugh ... a tweet from someone...

"The UK is like a middle-aged man, who left his wife and kids because he thought twenty-somethings on Tinder would fancy him, and now finds himself living in a bedsit, all alone, trying to convince the world that he made the right decision."

"I recall last year when we were due to leave at the end of March, remainers on here saying on 1st April all the planes will be grounded as they won't be allowed to fly. Lots of posters making big points about it. So they are just as silly thinking everything would change the minute the clock hit midnight."

@Vintagehearts that was in the event of a no deal Brexit and would have been the case unless alternative agreements on aviation had been reached by 31 March. We are not in a no deal scenario now. We are in a transition phase in which very little changes.

@MyuMe unelected? So you think that MEPs are unelected? 🤣
Yes the EU has civil servants just like we do here if that is your gripe. Government couldn’t function without a civil service.

There is sometimes a total lack of knowledge from remainers. The comments about how people moved abroad before the EU are one of them.
Yes people did move abroad. But you have to have a visa. Generally only those with employment skills get one, unless you already have family there or are well-off. You are not entitled to welfare benefits abroad, and you have to pay for your own private health insurance, and your state pension from the UK will not be index linked.

One of my teenagers wanted to immigrate when they are a young adult. Under EU (and there is a transition period until Dec 2020), to do this you just move. It is very easy and anyone can do it. By January next year they will have to apply for a working visa and that may or may not be granted. Generally visas are granted for skilled jobs, not to young adults who want to live abroad but do low wage jobs. They may be though, we don't know.

Similarly a woman I work with wanted to retire to spain. She is in a minimum wage job but could have afforded to by selling her house and taking her state pension in spain. But she could not afford private health insurance and her state pension would not be index linked. She is gutted as she can no longer go which she was planning to do in 5 years time.

Brexit has real consequences for some people.

I think most leavers think Brexit is now done.

"I recall last year when we were due to leave at the end of March, remainers on here saying on 1st April all the planes will be grounded as they won't be allowed to fly. Lots of posters making big points about it. So they are just as silly thinking everything would change the minute the clock hit midnight."

Vintagehearts that was in the event of a no deal Brexit and would have been the case unless alternative agreements on aviation had been reached by 31 March. We are not in a no deal scenario now. We are in a transition phase in which very little changes.

Actually, international air travel rules are covered by the Chicago Convention.

Nothing to do with the EU at all.

We have a corrupt prime minister who will do anything to serve himself.
He is manipulated by Farage.
Propaganda was used very successfully.
Some think we will ‘Be great again’ or other such nonsense but one rather suspects they either think the empire/racial superiority and women being the property of their husband’s was a good thing or they are so disaffected and angry about the impact of austerity they want anything but the status quo. That clever propaganda promised them a dream. Just like 1933.

I personally find the victim mentality of leavers bizarre.

There is no point moaning about the company you now find yourself in. Lots of racists and bigots voted leave. Some of them were burning flags and doing Nazi salutes in London last night. Some of them have been telling their immigrant neighbours that they will have to go home now.

The worst thing that Remainers have done is tar all leavers with the same brush. It's unfortunate but hardly justifies the perpetual victim mentality and refusal to debate that even the more sensible leavers seem to be adopting.

You won, get on with it!

@Roussette That's hilarious!

I also like: "Brexit is like a surgeon who promises to make a man's penis touch the floor. And does it by cutting his legs off" 😂

Thankfully I haven’t seen any gloating from any previously staunch Brexiteers. Having said that, I’m in NI and anyone with even half a brain cell here must have now realised that we are completely fucked.

Can anybody tell us what you have got your country back from please?

What makes you think you have more information and are better informed than those you don't agree with?

You know sometimes people are better informed about things. For example I think it is completely reasonable for my friend who has an allotment to believe they know about gardening than most people and certainly me who has a lawn and some low maintenance plants.

I think it is far more naïve to believe that most people are well informed. Evidence abounds that that simply isn't the case.

The reality is I know I know much more about our interactions with the EU and how it will impact the UK to change those interactions across a number of sectors because it has been part of my career for a long time. So when I hear leavers bleating about EU regulations and not being able to name a single one they disagree with that actually exists (I have a few that are problematic in parts) or how nothing happened to the economy after we voted to leave either ignoring or not being aware of the significant package if economic stimulus provided by the Bank of England to stop us entering a recession, I feel utterly justified in dismissing these people as significantly less informed than me on this issue.

@bingbangbing I agree. But I am starting to think that it's a general personality trait of some of them. The type of person who sees things as always being someone else's fault. Very keen to have their rights but far less keen on taking responsibility.

The fact that so many people blithely followed what the media said, suggests a lack of ability to research and think critically. And somewhat sheeplike behaviour.

It's no surprise that movements which used very short sound bites won - both the referendum with "take back control" and the election with "get Brexit done". That's about the depth of thinking that seems to appeal to so many people. Even "you won, get over it" has been copied from others.

I am NOT saying all leavers are thick. But I would bet that most thick people voted leave.

@Hopoindown31 Well said.

The leavers who celebrated last night in parliament square by doing nazi salutes to the national anthem are more than embarrassing. It is an outrage and an offence

Quite. I found the flag-burning and chanting things like "You can stick the flag with stars up your arse" distasteful and embarrassing.

Another remainer here who won't be shutting up or forgetting about Brexit any time soon. Our local Facebook page is full of Brexiteers gloating. The more we are told to "get over it" the less likely I am to do so (not that I was going to anyway, but it doesn't help). Looking at ways to get more involved with EU rejoiners groups as a way to channel my frustration and feel like I am doing something productive.

Gloating is horrible but so is blaming people. Neither achieve anything.

If you are secure in your convictions, any amount of blaming/finger pointing would be water off a duck's back.

Yabu, you ought to find all of it embarrassing.