To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

dimsum123

Not a cheap shot atall, why would you do that anyway!? Unless you are just not a very pleasant person.
You’re correct. I will happily admit when I’m wrong and yet...
I did actually mean to concur with, as opposed to actually ‘hearing’ the comment. But not to worry

Re Question Time
greenlavender
@Clavinova - there were 16 Lib Dem MEPs...

The Lib Dems won 16 seats in the 2019 EU Elections. However, between May 2014 and May 2019 (5 years) they only had 1 MEP - Catherine Bearder - not an obvious choice for a QT panelist. Most political parties would want to choose the best person for the job - you wouldn't replace Paddy Ashdown, Jess Philips, Amber Rudd or Caroline Lucas (for example) with an unknown MEP. Plenty of Lib Dem MPs/spokespeople did appear on the programme - n.b. in the 2015 General Election 4.3 million people voted for UKIP, 1.1 million voted for the Lib Dems. Newly elected Lib Dem MEP Caroline Voaden appeared on QT in Oct 2019 as did EU Vice-President Mairead McGuinness - who has appeared 4 times since the referendum. It was Mairead McGuinness who cut off Nigel Farage's speech in the EU Parliament.

Roussette
6 times actually

Looks like 4 appearances to me - post referendum - I think I was correct; "I don't think Nigel Farage has appeared very often since the referendum - 3 or 4 times perhaps."

Anna Soubry had 4 QT appearances in 2015 - Nigel Farage appeared twice.

Forgot to add, UKIP had 24 MEPs elected in 2014, Greens 3, Lib Dems 1.
Brexit Party 29 MEPs elected in 2019.

@Leighhalfpennysthigh I am so sorry for what ypur dad has experienced. I am proud that a man such as he has chosen to call this country home. To me, he encapsulates "best of British" far more than the racist idiots who abused him.

All this stuff about local traditions being eroded - surely that's because people now don't always live and work in the same town they were born in, so community spirit has diminished somewhat?

We still have May Queens etc, but now the parade is put on by people who choose to live in this community, rather than having lived here all their lives.

If people mourn the loss of such community events, do something about it and work together to arrange it. If you want to moan about it but NOT work together, then you are the precise reason this stuff tends not to be prevalent any more. People are too busy wanting what suits them without putting any effort in.

That has nothing to do with the EU, and everything to do with a certain generation of people who want to take everything and yet contribute little. Interestingly, as the demographic of my local area has got younger, MORE community events are happening. As we want there to be things here for our kids. As a general rule, the over 65s tend to complain about lack of things but will not contribute to helping when asked. Not everyone, not by a long way, but still, the trend is there.

The fault of the EU? Nah! They are something convenient to blame for a whole load of people who want everything done for them.

Clavinova I took it from Wiki so no idea. But as I said Fartage had done a huge amount of damage before the Referendum and 35 or is it 36 appearances spouting his bigoted views was bias. Here's a chart for you showing the spread of guests... fair? No.

Looking through the threads from Friday evening I was quite shocked to see the level of abuse aimed at leave voters - I'm glad I wasn't involved. Remain voters seem to justify this abuse (or claim they haven't noticed it) by saying they've been abused themselves on Twitter or Facebook - but this forum isn't Twitter or Facebook.

As for most Mumsnetters being middle class degree holders - seems quite a mixed bag on aibu.

Roussette
The table heading says which UK MEPs get invited to appear on BBC Question Time? - we've no idea who was invited onto the programme and declined (just like Strictly/Celebrity Jungle) - or which political party preferred a well known face to represent them instead of an unknown MEP. I can't even name a Labour MEP.

That's splitting hairs I would've thought Clavinova

Playing with semantics there Clavinova.

Still the record shows that 0 pro EU MEPs have appeared and Farage has appeared far more than others

I see that Catherine Bearder tweeted in Oct 2018;
"There has never been a pro-EU MEP on Question Time."

I think you would call that a 'Boris Johnson lie' because she hasn't mentioned Mairead McGuinness.

I've seen some very nasty stuff. It does occur on both sides: some Remainers will gloat viciously about any job losses, economic decline or other misfortune in an industry or part of the country where a majority voted to leave. But especially since the election and 'Brexit day' there have been quite a few horrible posts on FB, etc. by some Leavers who basically think that the fact that 'they won' means that Remainers have no right to dissent; that it is our duty to support the result and that any campaign against Brexit, or attempt to delay or soften it, was 'subverting democracy' and 'defying the will of the people'. Some posts have even called for 'revenge' on remainers, or have claimed that the laws allow us to be prosecuted for treason. I know too many people who have lived under totalitarian governments that persecuted dissidents and such comments make my blood run cold.

Just to note, in case it's necessary: these nasty comments weren't on Facebook.

Sorry - I mean they WERE on Facebook and not on Mumsnet!

there have been quite a few horrible posts on FB, etc.

There you go again - horrible posts on FB don't justify horrible posts on this forum.

'there have been quite a few horrible posts on FB, etc.

There you go again - horrible posts on FB don't justify horrible posts on this forum.'

Never said they did!

Plenty of horrible and mocking posts on this forum from leavers.

Oh and when they are told that austerity or whatever wasn't an EU policy

Plenty of evidence for EU austerity:

2014 "EU austerity measures driving millions into poverty."
"UN report reveals nearly seven million more people, including over 800,000 children, have fallen into poverty due EU economic policies over the last six years."

"The disastrous effects of the EU drive to cut budgets and slash public spending are detailed in a 357-page World Social Protection report by the UN agency, the International Labour Organisation."

www.tuaeu.co.uk/eu-austerity-measures-driving-millions-into-poverty/

2017 "France’s incoming president faces having to immediately implement new austerity measures to avoid falling foul of the EU’s budget rules, the European Commission has warned in its winter economic forecasts."

www.ft.com/content/93a04d0b-f120-3e22-8478-6fa93eb7426e

2018 European Economic and Social Committee;
"Lessons learned for avoiding the severity of austerity policies in the EU."
www.eesc.europa.eu/en/our-work/opinions-information-reports/opinions/lessons-learned-avoiding-severity-austerity-policies-eu

Austerity in the UK wasn't an EU policy.

The UN reports which leavers and tories like Clav denied when they reported that the Tory government had broken peoples human rights.

Austerity in the EU has been far less brutal than that of the UK.

759 trade treaties. Full FOM
Freedon to travel, live, work & retire freely. Cost? £29/person per year.

The self employed decorator I heard on the radio yesterday thought FOM had cost him a lot more than £29 per year - influx of cheap labour.

Austerity in the EU has been far less brutal than that of the UK.

"The report says that families in EU austerity-driven nations like Ireland, Cyprus, Greece, and Portugal have seen their disposable incomes plummet, leading to lower consumption."

Austerity in the U.K. was always an ideological choice for the tories rather than an economic necessity. Paul krugman (I think) was an eminent economist who doubted its effectiveness

There is no getting away from the fact that membership of the EU is £29 though.
Wish he'd move our way then... it's almost impossible to get a decorator without a lead time of about 6 months.

All of those countries have higher real income growth than the UK though Clavinova.

I note you aren't copy and pasting what the UN said about UK austerity.

Funny that.

There is no getting away from the fact that membership of the EU is £29 though.

I have to go out but the BBC disagrees;

"The largest net contributor to the EU budget per capita is the Netherlands, followed by Sweden, Germany, Denmark and the United Kingdom in fifth place, with €112.85 in 2017."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48256318

I don't see a direct connection between my leave the EU vote and someone's father suffering subsequent prejudice from another leave voter.
Traditions - this was one of several vague reasons from other leavers, I don't feel able to speak further on their behalf here or elsewhere.
But...the general feeling was the referendum was a chance to be heard and make a point that a great swathe of people are not being listened to.
Interestingly, few pro remain posters here today appear to have 'listened'. The sarcasm and undertone of contempt is similar to elsewhere and in real life.
I understand why people would vote remain. I'm relieved rather than jubilant that we are leaving.