To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

Oh and when they are told that austerity or whatever wasn't an EU policy they scream abuse and flounce off.

There was one before about Tina from Workington with her minimum wage job

But hey, name calling is ok as long as it's directed at the remain side

And obviously we all realise that this isn’t the case

But by god you’d Think it was absolutely fact the way SOME people go on

There has been name calling and insults and abuse and lies on BOTH sides

People who are unhappy with a government policy are absolutely allowed to march, complain, protest and take what ever legal action they can....that’s literally what being in a democracy allows you to do

And i am very fed up with the whole ‘one random online said something mean about remain so I’m going to say something mean about leave’ and vice versa that goes on...what are you 12?

(Although i do find it funny when someone like boney does an excellent post and then you get someone saying ‘we won...fuck off’ happened to me the other day, most frustrating)

Not heard the "thick northerner" trope here either. I am in the North too. I totally understand why people are pissed off with lack of investment and jobs outside of the South East, but that has been due to government policy, and the EU has actually invested in the North quite substantially.

Still laughing at "we won, you lost, fuck off". Was that post meant to be hilarious, does anyone think?

@Evilspiritgin , having been called a snake and also vermin on here , I don't think anyone should be saying both sides are being horrible.

@BatleyTownswomensGuild waving at you in Batley from a little town on the way to Wakefield beginning with an O!

I don't want to completely switch off from all news for this year but I feel I should as I can't deal with reading and hearing about our slow motion Brexit car crash until December but there is no way of keeping up with general non brexit news. Although brexit is intertwined with all news I suppose.

I had a lovely 2 months off from the news last year, I think from August to September, I consciously and deliberately avoided it all completely and felt so much better for it.

But how can I do that for a whole year?

I'm a leave voter, I'm a lifelong Conservative voter and I'm from the north of England, albeit a relatively affluent area.
The way I see it, the EU is an organisation, not a part of the world or a special friend we can't function without. There was discontent years ago as new member states joined and were propped up by the wealthier nations.
A feeling was growing that Britain was losing it's unique 'Britishness' for want of a better word. It's heritage, it's towns and its traditions. This was roundly ignored and dismissed by left of centre politicians as jingoism and backward thinking. At worst, racism accusations were thrown around. The gap widened between the two 'sides' years before the referendum.
When an opportunity presented itself to leave the union, it was a chance for change. And to be heard. The ramifications? We'll manage and we'll thrive are what leave voters around here are saying.
I work for a French company; they find my stance mildly amusing but in a good natured way, no hostility. I haven't cut my ties with France, I just prefer my place of residence to be out of the trading group that they are a member of.
I don't feel any emotion over Brexit, I was given 2 choices and exercised my right to choose. I selected the one I wanted. If remainers are upset and concerned for the future, I can understand that too.

I'm a remainer.
I can give a load of good reasons for Brexit including:

• tax evasion by unscrupulous tories 'entrepreneurs'
• removal of works rights
• removal of consumer rights
• reduction in environmental standards
• the UK being sold out to the US
• the NHS being privatised by stealth

Just depends on your perspective really doesn't it - you just really have to look at who gains by us leaving the EU. Immigration isn't going to stop - the colour of the immigrants may change (this will be interesting). The majority of us are going to be financially poorer. Some of us will have problems accessing medication. It's even been said that we won't realise the benefit of such a kamikaze vote for 50-100 years (not sure I believe that leavers are that selfless tbh - just seems like an avoidance of responsibility line to me). Not really much to do with sovereignty (which we already had) or freedoms (which we already had). There were plenty of laws in place to stop unscrupulous employers (farmers for eg) employing directly from overseas thus avoiding minimum wage because those employees were employed by the agency in eastern europe. But this could have been dealt with domestically. Why leavers voted for more tory when it is tory policies that decimated their communities is beyond me. The EU wasn't even on 98% of the population's radar before 2016 (apart from the racist UKIP voters). And now we have chief liar and adulterer in charge along with the Britannia Unchained cabal. I hope the next 50-100 years are as kind as they can be to those who didn't vote for this.

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A feeling was growing that Britain was losing it's unique 'Britishness' for want of a better word. It's heritage, it's towns and its traditions.

Britishness is much more at risk through the low wage, low standards economy the Tories are planning for us than by staying in the EU.

Not to mention the risk to the union itself. Then you'll find 'British' no longer exists at all. Very sad.

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A feeling was growing that Britain was losing it's unique 'Britishness' for want of a better word. It's heritage, it's towns and its traditions. "

This is happening.

You are right.

However, it's Americanisation that's doing it.

Nothing to do with the EU

If it's culture you care about, protecting heritage and history, then really you should campaign to rejoin:

www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=EPRS_BRI(2018)621876

Trump, China, Russia do not give a shit about British culture. And when have Tories ever cared about communities?
Please...

There has been name calling and insults and abuse and lies on BOTH sides

Sadly this is true; it's also why MN has been the very last place to look at the pros and cons of Brexit for some of us, either before or after the vote

Luckily there's so much else, which is handy for those who constantly repeat "give me x good reasons ...". I recommend a simple google of "benefits/disadvantages of brexit", which brings up anything from manic ranting to scholarly research according to taste

What it doesn't offer, of course, is the chance to fling insults at the authors ...

Love the life long Tory voter description Nothing like an open mind is there ? And telling that you live in an affluent area of the north too.
Sadly I live in a bit of a dump up north and plenty of traditionally labour voting working class voters have turned to the tories too despite the chronic neglect and underinvestment we’ve experience up here.
The ones I know hate the ‘liberal’ values espoused by labour, constantly moaning about political correctness and ‘snowflakes’, think lefties are a disgrace and hope the tories will come down hard on scroungers and immigrants.

I didn't say I voted out purely because of this, I said that was the feeling. A feeling in leavers who felt they were not being listened to. And indeed, derided.
I agree that the rest of the world doesn't care about this...but we haven't suddenly opened ourselves up to a pervasive Chinese or Russian culture.
My post was to give a leaver perspective. I am happy with that decision.

Katherinblum, I mentioned those points because otherwise I might have been rounded on as a poor working class previous Labour voting northerner who only voted Tory to 'get Brexit done'.

I hate the idea that the EU net contrributors "propped up " the newly joined countries..

The UK was the country that led the push for their joining for one, secondly Poland is the net largest recipient, but even then what it gets from the EU is less then one percent of its GDP, and data shows that much of it flows back to other EU countries,including the UK.

This is not "propping up" and to suggest so shows a real lack of understanding about the relative size of any net contribution.

A feeling was growing that Britain was losing it's unique 'Britishness' for want of a better word. It's heritage, it's towns and its traditions

I don't actually understand how this can be interpreted as anything other than racism.

"In truth, what I've seen frequently on the Brexit threads is Leave voters getting in first with: 'I'm sick of being called a thick racist...' before anyone has said anything remotely like that."

I've seen the opposite. Brexit threads being started and within the first couple of comments is the usual name calling from a remainer and then further along a leave voter becomes brave enough to comment.

The nastiness is rampant on here and both sides need to own that.

@Leighhalfpennysthigh

I think that's a bit of a leap.

Local cultures are fading.

An example: most areas have some form of local food. When was the last time you cooked yours?

Another example: May queens. Nobody does that anymore. Same with Easter Parades. Gone.

We all do Halloween though....

It's got sod all to do with Europe though.

@Leighhalfpennysthigh Then with respect, perhaps you should look up what racism means. There are no different races within the EU countries.
I said it was the growing feeling of being adrift which led to a result you don't like. That the country had lost its way and traditions were being eroded. And the EU stranglehold was at the heart of the discontent (not individual people of a different race).

*A feeling was growing that Britain was losing it's unique 'Britishness' for want of a better word. It's heritage, it's towns and its traditions

I don't actually understand how this can be interpreted as anything other than racism.*

Jesus how???? How is it in anyway racist?

Which traditions are being eroded?

How can this be down to the EU? Even EU immigration only accounts for 5 percent of the entire UK population, and a million of them live in London, how is such a small grouping eroding UK traditions?