To find SOME Brexiteer gloating embarrassing?

[SirChing]

I have read threads saying that we have left and "nothing has happened, just like the millennium bug".

Well, that'll be because we are transition so the No Deal situation has been avoided - for now.

And the millennium bug didn't happen because loads of IT people worked their arses off for years to prevent it.

I have read a rant about us needing new passports for this summer costing £1000, due to remained MPs and civil servants wanting to "punish" leavers.

I am cringing at the level of gloating and "so nerr" posts on here, flinging about bollocks as facts, and celebrating something which noone seems to be able to demonstrate any positives for.

Just me?

What makes you think you have more information and are better informed than those you don't agree with?

Primarily, things like this:
www.facebook.com/BrexitBrits/videos/119483139416543/

This is certainly embarrassing...

There are no winners in Brexit.We have all lost something i the process...i feel despite what leavers say, we are somehow lost as a nation.

malificent7 exactly. If not completely irrelevant as a global power, at best hugely diminished.

I confess to not yet having seen a clearly articulated and non-racist argument in favour on Brexit either on MN or in real life. I’ve heard confused, irrational or jingoistic comments aplenty.

If someone can list, as bullet points, factually accurate reasons why we needed Cameron’s referendum, I’d be delighted to read them.

Things like it will be easier to recruit sufficient nurses, allied health professionals and doctors with the right level of expertise to staff our hospitals. Not that, obviously because the fact show otherwise.

Maybe something about the increased medical and scientific research funding and opportunities? Well not that either because that wouldn’t be true.

I’m sure the leave contingent will be able to persuade me the benefits in a simple sentences supported by expert opinion that is not JRM, Johnson, Cummings or Farage propaganda.

@KatherineJaneaway - then you misunderstood my post which was that I see far more LEAVE voters on MN than in my real life.

I’m sure the leave contingent will be able to persuade me the benefits in a simple sentences supported by expert opinion that is not JRM, Johnson, Cummings or Farage propaganda.
Don't hold your breath, Cherry.
You will perhaps get a couple of responses saying that Leavers have explained the benefits a million times only to be called names. In truth, what I've seen frequently on the Brexit threads is Leave voters getting in first with: 'I'm sick of being called a thick racist...' before anyone has said anything remotely like that.

Sorry @KatherineJaneway

My point was that people on mn who voted leave don't always post as they receive abuse. Mn is definitely biased towards remain.

You'd know that how it they don't post?

Leave voters receive abuse on here if you define 'abuse' as being asked to justify what you say.

That is all I have seen. As as I can see, the fact that some remain voters are horrible is the prime motivation for some people to vote leave.

It's tribalism coupled with a victim mentality.

Nobody on this thread has seen fit to even try to prove me wrong beyond calling me a vulture or a snowflake. But hey, name calling is ok as long as it's directed at the remain side.

Fully prepared to be told I'm being mean 😎

I'm with you, OP. I still feel fed up when I hear people talk about giving power back to our Parliament. When Parliament did take the lead after the legal challenges, the leave leaders moaned because Parliament had stood up for itself and the public. I guess I just don't see any properly researched and presented good points or ourcomes about Brexit and that's why the Farage and MEP gloating is juvenile and common. As for the fuss about the Big Ben bongs and saying we're free at last, well......

As with any group of humans , leavers are not all the same BUT there is a significant mumber who seem to carry around a massive chip on their shoulders. Remainers have been called traitors, arrogant, abusive, told they should just FO to the EU, citizens of nowhere, snowflakes and more.
If leavers collectively are truly interested in building our future together they should stop playing victims. They have the government on their side!! What more do they want?? honestly??
Talk of democracy for 3 years and then complain about MN, the BBC, any newspaper just analysing facts now accused of biais or spreading fake news. All. The. Time.
Fucking hell! Are we in a nationwide real-life remake of the Football Factory or are we in a mature parliamentary democracy elected by voters with a mental age higher than 5?

I have many lovely colleagues and friends from a range of EU countries who have lived here for years, raised their kids, paid their taxes, not bothered anyone. They have suffered hugely due to the barely concealed racism that has raised its head since the referendum. It pains me.

There is absolutely nothing to celebrate here. We've become a nasty, spiteful country.

Arkadas I’m not holding my breath since there have, apparently, been clear arguments that I’ve missed, I’d like to be persuaded.

I’m glad I voted Brexit and no-one will make me change my mind. The majority spoke and that’s what the remoaners are annoyed about. They’ve really shown themselves up over this. It’s like they believe in democracy but only when it goes their way 🤦‍♀️

Why are you glad?

Why? Genuinely don't get it.

I think the "remoaners" are annoyed because they don't want to leave the EU, and don't think it's the right course of action for the UK's future. The lack of cogent argument for change has been frustrating. Admittedly, the language on both 'sides' has been childish and combative, but in a democracy, people are entitled to hold and express an opinion, even when it becomes a minority opinion. I assume there are people in Scotland who still support Scottish independence, despite the outcome of their 'indyref'. Likewise, many people will continue to oppose Brexit.

Embarrassing behaviour on both sides. And it has also revealed the class snobbery which exists in the U.K., especially between North and South. Some middle class London residing mumsnetter with a degree will express outrage that her friends who have come to settle from abroad now feel alienated, will then go on to bleat about how thick and vile the northerners are, because of course it was the people in the north who have created this situation. The irony!

will then go on to bleat about how thick and vile the northerners are
Link please!

SuperMeerkat I’m delighted you achieved what you wanted. In truth, it wasn’t actually a majority but we’ll let that slide.
Please can you help me understand the why? In short easy to understand bullet points?
I’ll do the same from a remain perspective, if you like.

I am a northerner

Much of the gloating has been about winning and losing. This is all it has been about for so many. That one side can simplify this huge catastrophic change to a simple matter of "you lost" speaks volumes about the level of critical thought.

Not seen any "thick Northerner" comments. Other than allegations that MN is full of such comments.

Yep - only my Brexit supporting friends felt the need to post on social media and gloat.

It has been a very costly experience for some of us, whose parents and grandparents fought for this country but whose children were born overseas due to Government postings.

I am tired and saddened by it and I am yet to see any argument that is not based in racism for it.

My MIL is a northerner and is very obsessed with how the north is being portrayed. But then she voted for Brexit because the EU prevented the UK from being able to extradite Abu Hamza. She also lives in the Workington constituency whose new Tory MP has promised to regenerate the shithole that is Workington. In an economic recession caused by Brexit. So WTAF?

There will be areas all over the UK, north and south that has this batshittery going on. It's not limited to the north. But FFS, if you want your area to be treated respectfully, it would really help to not come out with absolute nonsense to perpetuate it.

As a remainer what pisses me off, both on here and in real life, it's s when a leaver is asked why and what are the benefits, the why tends to me things that are the result of domestic politics (fine, attack the Tories they are fuckers, I'll stand with you) and the benefits are vague nothings like sovereignty (which we never lost) and freedom (which we a,ready had).