Happy brexit day

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Thank god we are only a few hours away from being a free and independent and a global outlooking country! Happy VEU day everyone!!
Let's all join together, enjoy and celebrate our victory over antidemocracy and enjoy our new found and hard fought freedom!!

‘Patriot’ is just a nicer way of saying someone is a small minded, insular, racist cult.

I think "you're not listening to my reasons for leaving" is code for "you've shot down all my reasons for leaving because they're based on bullshit".

Ironic that people will be celebrating with champagne as opposed to a fizzy English white wine.

Fuck of Farage.

And the above is why I dont generally comment on Brexit posts.

Yeah great! Awesome! Lucky us!

Im sure the Tory government will replace all the funding lost from Europe in South Wales... yeay great!

FFS!

I'm sad that we're leaving and scared of what the future might hold.

But I'm ever the optimist and trying to see this as a new start and hoping against hope that I'm proved wrong and that everything will be fine.

I'm just worried for my European friends in the UK, it must be awful to feel unwanted by so many...

48 % didn’t vote to leave. You can not be surprised at the amount of people who are unhappy about today.

Heres to a new start, it cant be any worse than what we have at the minute.

It is hard to imagine how much worse the crisis could get in the NHS, healthcare in general, education, housing, policing, infrastructure etc and how the inequalities glaringly obvious to anyone who looks at the UK could become even wider.

Unfortunately none of these issues have been caused by membership of the EU, and none of them will be resolved by leaving the EU. Politicians of both major parties have used the EU as a convenient scapegoat to blame for their own shortcomings. Once the UK leaves, blaming the EU for the woes of the country only has relevance for another year or so - not that Johnson won't bang this particular gong for as long as he can when things don't go his way.

Speaking of politicians, if I look at who is in now in charge (Johnson - sacked for lying; Gove - lied about his father's business; Patel, Raab, Kwarteng, Truss - Britannia Unchained fantasists; Javid -'"The only thing leaving the EU guarantees is a decade of lost British business" I am not at all confident that things won't get very much worse than they already are.

What in God's name are 'beaurocrats', op?

We're already free and global.
We didn't need to leave the EU to do it.

I've been to a funeral this morning. It seemed oddly fitting.

48 % didn’t vote to leave

Actually 63% of the electorate didn't vote to leave in the Referendum.

And the above is why I dont generally comment on Brexit posts.

So, actually, you don't respect others' opinions. Easy to say you do when no-one is disagreeing with you.

Actually 63% of the electorate didn't vote to leave in the Referendum

Abstaining is different to voting one way or the other and if you choose to abstain you can't then say "well I didn't vote to leave/remain" depending on which of the two ends up being worse.

We did also recently have a general election where one party claimed they'd remain regardless and another was happy for a second referendum and the party who won were the ones who insisted we'd leave, and people still voted for them.

The recent election was basically a second referendum and the result was the same.

The recent election was basically a second referendum and the result was the same.

Of those who voted in 2019, the majority (56%) did not vote for the Conservatives, but due to the FPTP system used in the UK, the Conservatives have a 80-seat majority. Only 30% of the electorate actually voted for the Conservatives.

What havana said

Havanananana we had a referendum in 2011 to change the voting system in this country and the result was to keep FPTP. That being so , and the fact it was the same system for all political parties on the ballot paper , I don't see the validity of your comment. Brexit was front and centre of the last election and the result was clear.

Happy Brexit Day to you too OP.

Here i am sitting at work surrounded by remainers with no one to celebrate with.

Charlotte the 2011 referendum has a tiny turnout, hardly any publicity and was for a particular system rather than voting reform

Well I've just check that @Havanananana and according to the BBC the Conservatives won 43.6% of votes. That's 3 million more votes than Labour.

Thanks OP there's an event in our local pub tonight 🍻 🍷 🍾

Boris is in Sunderland? What's he doing there?
Curiously, he has chosen to absent himself on the day when the country he leads is turning in a momentous direction.
Either there is something more important than that to a country's prime minister. Or he's afraid.

lastqueenofscotland It was to reform the voting system , that was the whole point .

It was widely publicized and had a reasonably turn out of 42% , thats not tiny.

The 2016 referendum featured just about everywhere was and had a massive turnout. The result was to leave and the last election reiterated that.

That is a clear democratic mandate to leave the EU.

CharlotteMD - we had a referendum in 2011 to change the voting system in this country and the result was to keep FPTP. That being so , and the fact it was the same system for all political parties on the ballot paper , I don't see the validity of your comment. Brexit was front and centre of the last election and the result was clear.

The 2011 referendum offered only one alternative system to FPTP, which was the Alternative Vote (AV). AV is even worse than FPTP in terms of returning a result that does not reflect the first preference of the majority of voters and was soundly rejected. At no point has the UK electorate been offered Proportional Representation.

Neither the Labour or Conservative parties have any interest in Proportional Representation (PR) as both parties would lose their influence in Parliament. The UK is one of only two EU countries not to have some form of PR. In other countries, voters can choose between far right parties, moderate right and left parties, left wing parties, green and environmental parties etc and have a reasonable expectation that their votes will count, that the composition of Parliament will reflect the diversity of opinions and that politicians will work together to find common ground instead of the constant confrontation and bickering of Westminster. For many voters in the UK, there is no candidate for whom they can vote and have an expectation of having their vote considered - for example, a Remainer living in a Conservative safe seat had nobody to vote for who had any chance of being elected in the last election and would effectively be disenfranchised.

The validity of my comment is that the Brexit supporters continue to insist that Brexit is 'the will of the people.' It clearly isn't, regardless of whether you look at the Referendum or the 2019 GE results.