to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

I have relatives who voted for Brexit because they're "fed up of fucking insert your racist abuse of choice" here.

Out and out racists who spend their days raging about immigration and BME people who are as British as they are. Nasty racist slurs said all the time.

I know not everyone who voted Brexit voted for these reasons, many believed the stuff about more funding for the NHS, etc. But I'm angry with my racist relatives.

For what it's worth on your follow the money...

My friends brother, a professor of oncology, is moving to Canada because he can no longer do clinical trials here.

@LarkDescending [thumbs up].

But it is an illustration that the bureaucrats are not the ones who should be calling the shots.

EU is a centralised, unelected and accountable to nobody, technocrat run, political project.

THE MARKETS on the other hand, have to respond to free market discipline. This makes the free market agile and responsive.

Remainers are you listening!

THIS is the difference between EU and Brexit! THIS is what Brexit is actually about!

All those evil, racist, small minded Little Englanders uup north, seem to have better and more rational economic instincts than you do!

Screaming always follow the money doesn't mean anything.

I haven't a clue what you are talking about.

If it upsets you that much could you try to get citizenship in an EU country?

SunshinePuppy what a very strange thing to say. I am an upset remainer. Why on earth would I want to live in another EU country? I am a patriot. I absolutely love the UK and could not imagine living anywhere else. The reason why I am upset about Brexit is precisely because I am patriotic.

It is an absolute certainly that the U.K. will deteriorate after Brexit. Leaving one of the largest trading blocks in the world guarantees that. My country will become poorer and therefore of less influence in the world and a less pleasant place to live. That upsets me.

Kahlua4me it will be a lot harder.

Who would you rather employ? Someone who can work there because they have automatic rights because they are an EU citizen or someone for whom you have to jump through loads of red tape for?

I believe Brexit is a mistake.

However Britain lost and now has to get on with it.

Who will you blame now for the problems with NHS, Education, Prisons, social care, Safety and security, infrastructure etc.
Have they improved since June 2016. Perhaps the improvement starts on Saturday 1st February or will it be starting on January 1st 2021.

The world doesnt.end with Europe. There.are great opportunities to.travel.study and work all over the world. Brexiteers arent looking for forgiveness.

Not all people who voted leave are knuckle dragging gammons who aggressively tell others to get over it though.

I fully believe in forgiveness where possible and in the saying “holding a grudge is like drinking poison and waiting for the other person to die”. For your own sake it’s worth trying to get over it, as frustrating as that might be.

I voted Remain and was absolutely gutted by the result. But I would never say I "can't forgive" Leave voters, no-one needs my forgiveness (or anyone else's for that matter) for exercising their right to vote. I may think that the way they voted was short-sighted and not in the best interests of the country, but I will still defend their right to make what I consider a 'bad' choice when it the choice is put to them. People were given a binary choice to make about an extremely complex issue that doesn't lend itself well to a simple 'stay' or 'go'.
I don't blame Leave voters for that. I blame David Cameron for his recklessness in calling the Referendum in the first place, arrogantly believing he could predict the result. Now there's someone I can't forgive.

Oh ffs - screaming even 10 year olds don't believe that nonsense.

Are you actually Miss Widdecombe?

There was a referendum, they voted as they saw fit and so did I, it's our prerogative. I don't like the result at all, I was quite upset by the Auld Lang Syne video as I will always be European.

As for not being able to forgive, well I lay that at David Cameron's door. He started all this the fuckwit.

Kahlua "I know many people who voted leave and all of them, without exception, are intelligent successful people and many run their own businesses"

Which is why many of them voted Leave. I can imagine a bonfire of workers' rights would play well for them.

I can't deny that if I were a private business owner, hell bent on profit, the idea of not having to pay stuff like maternity leave and so forth might appeal. Yes, we all know throwing those rights onto the bonfire hasn't yet been enshrined in Law, but, with the Tory government we've endured for the last 10 years, austerity ahoy, I'm not holding my breath.

Already, in the rule-bound NHS, I have witnessed unpaid overtime (band 6's, demanded of these staff to get up to speed to meet the basic requirements of the job they were hired to do- but couldn't, by their own, open admission, but hired anyway); the sudden, unconsulted changing of a 12 hour on-call-from-home morph into a £3 an hour on-site availability. Small, incremental changes.

You have a problem when NHS managers know how rough-shod they can trample on their workers, especially as more and more will feel 'grateful to have a job'. Ideal way to subdue the workers.

That's already begun.

@tigeronatrain
Why would I blame people who didn't vote (who may have decided they weren't well-informed enough) when Brexiters did vote to Leave?

Re some of the other replies:
It's clear we're pretty much still divided. Unlike other normal elections, where we can mostly agree to differ, this is a really big change to the way our country works. (And if as a Leaver you don't think so, then why all the celebrations?)

We can't all just up sticks and live somewhere else in EU - not a sensible comment!

I was a 7/10 Remainer before the referendum - I know that EU isn't perfect, but it's still a lot better than the alternative, especially putting ourselves at the mercy of US trade deals. I have read Goodhart/The Road to Somewhere and I can see that some places have genuine reasons for disliking what they think EU membership has brought the UK, but many of the problems were entirely self-inflicted by successive UK gov underspending on regions and training. Also some good points in @screamingladysutch youtube link - but not enough to convince me we're better off out.

Looking at the list of speakers at the Brexit party in London on Friday I know who I'd rather spend time with and it's not Farage, Tice, Francois etc.

And just look at your representatives Brexiters! Today in EU Parliament:
Compare and contrast:
European Parliament MEPs sing Auld Lang Syne to respect the end of Britain’s EU membership and that old acquaintances shall not be forgotten.
Brexit Party MEPs hurl insults at the European Parliament, boast about Brexit and wave Union Jack flags.
Embarrassing, like when they turned their backs on the Parliament.

I have forgiven Brexit voters (though not politicians, media and billionaire funders) - many are, and will continue to be, good friends.

I will not forget though. Any complaints about the consequences - travel insurance prices, job losses, cost of imports, airport queues, roaming charges etc- will be given extremely short shrift.

"I have relatives who voted for Brexit because they're "fed up of fucking insert your racist abuse of choice" here.

Out and out racists who spend their days raging about immigration and BME people who are as British as they are. Nasty racist slurs said all the time."

Again, you are using ad hominem slurs to explain what is actually, a rational economic choice.

They might not be expressing themselves very well, but whether you like it or not they are describing an economic phenomenon: that uncontrolled immigration (as constructed by New Labour over and above EU laws) has had the effect of depressing unskilled wages, in a way that benefits the South East and metropoles (ie, Remainer areas) at their expense.

THIS is why Labour lost. Because they lost touch with their red wall heartlands, and turned to Islington preoccupations. BoJo the Etonian, like Churchill and Thatcher before him, understood the aspirations of the working classes over the party that is supposed to represent their interests.

Screaming "EU is a centralised, unelected and accountable to nobody, technocrat run, political project."

Were you in a coma in May 2019? In which case, sorry you were unable to exercise your democratic vote.

Now. About Dominic Cummings.

reading some very strange and drama-ing threads on here. i doubt very much that the channel tunnel will be blocked off and a impenetrable dome will be dropped over britain so we are in effect 100% isolated from the world.
and before someone whines at me, i don't drop myself to the level of insulting randoms on here, so you may say what you like i really don't give a toss.

@mrsmootoo

short term it is going to be tough, but long term we are better off out.

Tbf at this point it is actually just 1 extra form to fill up in UK

Newsflash: not everyone British is in the UK. Applying for a second nationality so that I can continue to live in peace in my EU husband's country has cost be about a thousand pounds so far and untold stress, and mine is a simple case.

43% voted for the Tories. So Remain parties got a big majority percentage wise

Well, not really, unless you consider ‘neutral’ labour as a remain party.

"People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis Jeremy. You can't trust people."

Oh paddypaws. Bless.

But at least You Had Your Say.

I didn't want to join the common market, and in any case the original deal has morphed into something quite different over the decades. Many of us do not like change, such as decimalisation, seatbelts, speed camera's, schools that look like prisons, new £5.00 notes, over development on our Greenfields and countryside, traffic jams, etc. Most of the Remainers I talk to, either trade with Europe, go to Europe on a regular basis, or actually have property in Europe. But it was a democratic vote, and had it gone the other way, you would not have been happy if the leavers tried to derail your vote.

Not sure brexiters give a flying fuck if you cant forgive them, everyone eligible had a chance to vote, not everyone voted. Remainers lost and kicked up a fuss as it wasnt "fair", had another opportunity in the GE and lost that too. Suck it up, we're out and that's the end of it