to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

European Parliament MEPs sing Auld Lang Syne to respect the end of Britain’s EU membership and that old acquaintances shall not be forgotten. As a Scot I found that sick making.

THE MARKETS on the other hand, have to respond to free market discipline. This makes the free market agile and responsive.

Remainers are you listening!

THIS is the difference between EU and Brexit! THIS is what Brexit is actually about!

Could you please expand on this @ScreamingLadySutch. My request is genuine. I want to understand. No one has answered my question properly.

life could be a lot better folks, we could be living in north korea.

@ScreamingLadySutch Brexit hasn’t even happened yet, let’s not get overconfident about the economy quite yet.

I have relatives who voted for Brexit because they're "fed up of fucking insert your racist abuse of choice" here.

As do I viva. They're going to get a shock when the Pakistanis (it's usually the Pakistanis) are still here on Saturday.

Lots of people would rather we didn't talk about that of course, as it's inconvenient, but it's certainly a thing. Brexit isn't intrinsically racist and it's always been possible to make a progressive case against the EU, much as the people doing that over the last few years have been useful idiots for the extreme right. However the slogan 'not racist but no 1 with racists' has a certain application here...

Why on earth would I want to live in another EU country? I am a patriot. I absolutely love the UK and could not imagine living anywhere else. The reason why I am upset about Brexit is precisely because I am patriotic.

You don't have to live in another country to get EU citizenship. You didn't have to do this before Brexit.

@Miljea

are you actually saying anything factual in that vague accusation

Note how I support all my argument with evidence.

I have made this observation before: it is Remainers who are hysterical, emotional, and economically ignorant.
Sadly, because I am completely IMMUNE to Ad hominem slurs, accusations of [fill in evil characterisation/ intent]; AND I kill you with facts?

You don't seem to know how to respond.

But it was a democratic vote, and had it gone the other way, you would not have been happy if the leavers tried to derail your vote

irony alert. Leavers spent 40 years trying to derail the vote that took us into Europe in the first place.

I have no problem with anyone who did their research and voted the way that they believed that one choice was the best thing for this country. I have a problem with people who didn't vote and people who voted Leave because "it will make Britain great again" or other meaningless drivel. I also bang my head on the nearest table when I talk to a Leaver who wants to do an apprenticeship and look shocked when I tell them that 50% of the funding for apprenticeships come from the EU.

No the Tories didn't win the Red Wall seats because they understood how people were suffering with immigration. Many of them had very little immigration - just the people in the local Chinese and Indian Restaurants and even they might have been British born and bred. I do think New Labour can take some blame - they had 13 years but were too ready to milk the idea that it was all Thatchers fault.

As for Boris Johnson understanding the aspirations of the working classes, I very much doubt it.

Wow Derxa Do you say the same when the English sing it?

Nothing is ever (or should ever be) all about money.

Cancer Research UK have recommended that the UK Govt should seek full alignment with the new EU Clinical Trials Regulation because that it in the best interests of patients present and future. Give that recommendation, do Brexiters really want to dump those standards, drafted after extensive consultation with (among others) British researchers, for some vague notion of "freedom"?

The "free market" notion is an odd one to raise in this context. A free market requires freedom of movement of goods, labour etc. The single market embraces these ideas, but Brexiters want to leave the single market so can't be all that keen on a free market. If and when we do a trade deal with the US, it certainly will not be "free" on any meaningful level. Wherever people are "following the money" to, it won't be into the pocket of most British workers.

Beautiful.

And yet they won the referendum and the conservatives won the election back in December. So time to accept it now

@CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate (brilliant nic)

'In spite of Brexit'

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-unemployment-44yearlow-a4315411.html

tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/foreign-direct-investment

tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/manufacturing-pmi

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05871

No, it is not going to be easy magical or plain sailing. But who runs faster? The fat (EU directives, protectionism, labour laws, tariffs) bloke, or the athletic (free market economic reforms deregulated) bloke who has trained and sweated?

As I stated above I voted Remain with 100% conviction I was right but ironically the pro Remain threads on MN have turned me towards Brexit. All the bile and nastiness was awful at times. And people whining about the Erasmus scheme... give me strength.

I'm stock piling schadenfreude in readiness for the nightmare ahead.

Brexiteers are too thick to know what they have let in. Of the millions who thought Hitler was a good idea, and that included hundreds of thousands of English people including the PM at the time, many many lived to regret their stupidity.

Why do you think the UK does not have more referenda? Because the government knows that "the people" are by and large too ignorant to understand complex, interconnected, socio-political questions.

Why don't we have a referendum um the death penalty for example? Because the dumb-fucks would vote to restore it in their millions.

Anyone who believes "the voice of the people" is a wise and well informed voice, is a fool.

I agree Jasjas, we should be working with our EU neighbours to reform the European Community and facing the challenges of the future together. It isn’t a perfect system but we won’t be able to do anything about it now. I will miss the EU health card when we lose it at the end of the year and the ease of travelling through Europe without visas. My son has already had to rethink his future as he was working in an EU funded position. I feel sorry for those who will lose their jobs here as industry relocates in Europe and U.K. research scientists lose their EU grants. The NHS will have to strike new deals with the US pharmaceuticals, perhaps not as favourable as the one we have as part of the EU. I have yet to hear any concrete positive gains for us leaving the EU, just platitudes. I for one will be wearing black on Friday in mourning for our loss.

derxa you're being unfair considering that you've had a lit of sympathy about the farming situation from remainers.

And yet they won the referendum and the conservatives won the election back in December. So time to accept it now

So when Tony Blair won with a huge big stonking majority in 1997, all the opposition just said time to accept it now. Let's do nothing about it. Ho hum. The best person won. No they didn't. They exercised their democratic right. Picked themselves up and go on with it.

Which is de rigueur in politics.

" A free market requires freedom of movement of goods, labour etc. The single market embraces these ideas"

single market v

the world (Asia, India, Africa, Americas)

Wow Derxa Do you say the same when the English sing it? Nope but it was a political message because the EU know about the SNP's desire for independence from the the UK and the fact that Nicola wants Scotland to rejoin the EU.

derxa To be frank, you come across as dishonest and transparent.

There are logical, rational REASONS that the EU is the slowest growing market in the world!

Its because of all the laws, tariffs, Directives, regulations and labour laws!!!

Well done, Leavers

Did you see Farage and his Brexiters trying to rub salt in the wounds at the EU Parliament, waving their miniature Union Jacks in everyone’s faces and going hiphiphooray. Good God, this is what our country is standing behind now. No dignity whatsoever, really shameful.