to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

What a piss poor anti Brexit thread.
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Didn't know what they were voting for
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Et al.

All fucking true though. I almost want it to be as awful as I think it's going to be, just to prove a point. I realise that's immature, but I'm so fucking horrified at both the politicians and the electorate of this country. I was born here and feel like emigrating. If my kids weren't still in full time education I'd do so in a heartbeat.

Not sure if this is quite accurate. I remember the 2010 elections and travelling to visit a friend on the south coast. The villages there were full of UKIP posters

UKIP got 3.8m votes in 2015 and no MPs BUT they got less than 1m voters in 2010.

My point is they were a fringe protest party, pre 2015, mainly supported by racists... even Farage left them because of this.

Can I help you change the way you look at this disaster? You don't have to, but it would help your peace of mind.

This German politician was an economist at Goldman Sachs. "What did David Cameron ask for, that was so terrible?'

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY.

So what are you so upset about? Please try and tell us, WITHOUT insulting or disparaging and using facts instead of emotion.
No, it is not going to be instantly wonderful, but Britain is better off long term out of the over regulated, protectionist EU.

The last General Election was the Brexit election whether people like it or not.

Disagree Derxa. It will definitely and absolutely will be the next general election which will certainly take place before 2024.

The last General Election was won because of the rift now evident in the Union.

Who won by exploiting this rift?

The Conservatives - who are the biggest front stabbers politically, but they're certainly not alone.

Who lost?

Labour and the DUP.

I expect most of those who voted Leave expected Remain to win and did so as a protest.

The people who do not deserve forgiveness are those who voted Boris Johnson as Tory leader. Worst PM ever, worst political adviser ever (and there have been some bad ones).

Not sure if this is quite accurate. I remember the 2010 elections and travelling to visit a friend on the south coast. The villages there were full of UKIP posters.

If you watch the he actually goes through all the statistics of how many people were bothered about the EU and how they targeted people to persuade to vote leave. It's really quite scary how people were manipulated and he is there on the video describing it and explaining it all. They aren't even pretending it was the genuine will of the people.

Time will tell whether Brexit is as much of a shitshow as the pessimists expect. But I can probably forgive people who voted for it. I still think it's a stupid idea, but ultimately I think there are a lot of government policies that have had and will have more impact than leaving the EU.

What I'd like Brexiteers to explain to me, is why so many have been quick to crow to me -with eyes lit by hope- that 'we'll be alright' because 'we'll make a trade deal with America' and other countries. So America will be our saviour, and presumably fully respect our independence and ask for nothing painful in return.

Then some wax lyrical about the resurrection of some sort of post-colonial commonwealth trading agreement. The sentiment seems to be lets return to our Empire.

Then there's proposals about a possible America-Canada-Australia deal. I hear these all espoused to me by colleagues at work as justification for leaving a perfectly good deal and a huge market and excuses for why they haven't shafted the young.

As if there will not be things we have to compromise on to achieve those.

Neither will we be in a good negotiation position to make those deals, as we'll be frankly desperate and vulnerable.

Why walk out of a deal with the EU (for reasons of supposed independence..never mind how much British businesses are owned by foreign companies, but I digress) to make a potentially much less advantageous one with America? What about our independence?

FWIW I hope that some of these do emerge. It would be good economically but there will be a cost. I just don't understand the dichotomy of voting out of one very advantageous partnership whilst hoping for others with less certainty.

I'd like to understand.

MissusMacTiredy
What is wankery and tedious is the 'grow up, get over it snowflake' comments - it is a real sign of the times in terms of of people communicate with one another.

Its equally as "wankery and tedious" as the name calling, never heard a good reason, "i told you so" bullshit from the other side.

One will always beget the other.

Good thing nobody asked for your forgiveness then isn't it?

Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, people have different opinions and the world would be a boring place if we all wanted the same.

I voted to remain, of course I’m upset about the outcome but it done and the people that voted to leave may realise they made a big mistake in 12 months time or they may not. What will be will be and there’s nothing we can do about it now.

i'd rather be living in a post brexit britain and feel safe than many places in the world

But many of us see how things have been getting worse for the last few years thanks to Brexit (and I am not even talking about economically). My husband was shouted at for speaking Italian with our kids, my parents' Greek neighbours who have been in Britain for forty years have had some horrible experiences.....this is what I can't forgive Brexiters for as it was entirely predictable.

Don't need to read your OP. YANBU

I guess for me it's not 'Not forgive', but struggle to 'respect' Leavers.

So far, from the people I know who voted Leave, I have 'Wanted a change'; I have 'Brussels, eh? What are they like?' and, tbh, also 'Sovrintee'. From a degree holder. Who now regrets her vote because her son has been warned that his job might be in jeopardy.... pity she didn't think about everyone else's jobs, but heigh ho.

I believe that, on paper, 5-7 years hence, our country's (what's left of it) balance sheet will be comfortably in the black.

However, unless you're in the top 7-10% of earners, you'll be on zero hours contracts without a workers' right to wipe your arse with.

Which is what this was, after all, all about.

But, you'll find, you're all 'OK' with this. Because Dominic will tell you so.

Those who supported Brexit have been accused of voting for the death of children on here by those who voted remain, and you think the Brexiters were aggressive and unpleasant !

Yep, I’m utterly fed up. Especially at the focus of celebrations being ‘we won, we’re out’ but still no tangibles on why it’s something to celebrate.

Now we’re at rubber stamp stage, even those in power driving it are admitting there’s going to be negative ramifications.

Not in my name.

to make a potentially much less advantageous one with America? What about our independence?

I think Johnson and his cronies would be perfectly happy to be the 51st State - or be like Puerto Rico, and not be a state but a vassal.

*At most it will probably be another form or two to fill in.

Seriously fuck off, you have no idea of the way this is impacting people's lives.*

Tbf at this point it is actually just 1 extra form to fill up in UK. Not even extra really because it is instead of Permanent Residency which was btw much harder to obtain than Settled Status. Also it was 88 pages form.

I agree with you op. I won’t forgive them either but I’m not going to waste my time feeling bitter. I’ve developed a ‘fuck them’ attitude. They were warned repeatedly but chose to dismiss fact as ‘Project Fear’ so deserve everything that comes to them and they don’t have my sympathy. I just hope that one day there is a proper independent enquiry into the lies, electoral fraud and Russian influence, and that those who allowed this to happen are held responsible.
It’s absolutely devastating that we’re leaving. I’m positioning myself as a re-joiner now.

Haven’t rtft. I don’t feel angry anymore so it’s not a case of forgiving. A lot of my leave voting friends admit now regretting their vote. People like my FIL who is rubbing his hands in glee at how ‘upset’ the remains will be and would like to ‘dance through every remain voting constituency waving a union jack’ well..meh...it’s a bit sad. I pity him really.

The term remainer needs to be changed to rejoiner as of Friday at 11pm.

Op YANBU I will always be a Remainer in my heart.

I’d be interested to see a Brexiter response to Wheresmychocolate on page 3.

Should add that whilst I might not feel angry anymore I do still feel very sad about the whole thing.

THANK FUCK Britain is out of all these directives.

For the wife of the research scientist? Please tell him not to panic. Funding can now be more fluid without the Directives under which he currently works.

"[Regulations are much too tight, and anti-business] ... The Clinical Trials Directive which is something that people don't know a lot about, but it is absolutely instructive on what the EU is like. Britain used to be just about the world leader in cancer research. Not any more, because this wonderful Directive from the EU has made it incredibly difficult and expensive to test out new procedures and new treatments, so we have slipped down the list... There are umpteen regulations which are very very onerous on the UK economy" ....

ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY. Brexit is in fact a logical and rational response.