to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

Plus, and sorry to say it, the UK has got a bit grim over the last decade courtesy of austerity. And theres going to he possibly another decade of that.

You leavers are always telling us to go and live in the EU if we love it so much anyway.

Anyone who thinks Boris is wonderful obviously doesn't mind being led by an amoral liar.

And we could have left the EU when Theresa May was PM if he and the ERG hadn't voted against the deal. Je doesn't give a shit about keeping his promise to leave the EU. He cares only about his own personal advancement.

What is there that a leave voter could do to create a sense of unity with you?
What do you need them to do?
How could the relationships be repaired?

It’s not so much individual voters, it’s the way the government, from day one, did nothing to try and bring the two sides together. With such a close referendum result, there should have been much more compromise from the start, with both sides brought into the debate.

Theresa May was weak and in thrall to the right wing of her party. This has done lasting damage IMO.

And now we have this ugly triumphalism - I agree with Michael Heseltine on this.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/25/heseltine-says-brexit-celebrations-rub-remainers-nose-in-it

“I think it is unwise of the government to rub our noses in it by celebrating our defeat at this hour, whilst talking about unifying the country.”

A politician only caring about their own personal advancement. I’ve never heard of such a thing...

Anxious1013

I agree with that.

I can understand why leavers get so het up. They think opinions based on misinformation are facts. Easy to conflate the two. When they try to explain these 'facts' to you and you disprove them with actual facts, they get humpy and say their opinion is just as valid as yours. Thus conflating the two again. And on it goes. For fucking eternity.

Classic. You are the only one with actual facts

Your post tells me you have never taken the time to try and understand a leave vote

ilovesooty
Anyone who thinks Boris is wonderful obviously doesn't mind being led by an amoral liar.

Can you name one PM that wasn't?

So why did you post that leavers like Johnson?

I meant that Johnson is a leaver (or pretends to be), I didn’t mean that all leavers like him. I knelt that that is not true.

A lot of politicians do actually have beliefs that matter to them. Johnson doesn't. He's naked in his ambition and blatant in his lies to a level not seen previously.

We voted so many times.
Major votes that could have turned the direction of Brexit.
Each time Brexit views were upheld.
Does this not tell you that the voters wanted this to happen.

@ilovesooty
A lot of politicians do actually have beliefs that matter to them

None of those make it to the prime position of PM.

So what were they actually voting for @mummmy2017? What did they want to happen?

Your post tells me you have never taken the time to try and understand a leave vote

Conflating opinion with fact again there!

I think your anger is better directed at David Cameron, Theresa May and Boris Johnson who created and confounded this particular mess.

mummmy2017

We voted so many times.
Major votes that could have turned the direction of Brexit.
Each time Brexit views were upheld.
Does this not tell you that the voters wanted this to happen.

There are quite a few issues with that, mainly in that only the referendum was based solely on Brexit all the others have been coloured by other policies being on the ballot.

Also labour as the opposition party have been absolute dross, there have been many times when they could have ripped the conservatives a new one.

@BonnesVacances

Please tell me then - what is your understanding of why people voted leave?

I loathed Thatcher but I think she did have beliefs that defined her actions. I don't think Johnson actually believes in anything. After all he professed to be pro EU when it suited him.

@LaurieMarlow and Farage who Cameron was so scared of in the first place.

Corbyn was very clear in 2017, that he would change things.
2019 was very confusing as to how what he wanted could work.
However liberals..... were going to revote and stay in.

Sorry revoke.

A lot of politicians do actually have beliefs that matter to them

Really? maybe at the lower levels or smaller parties but to get into govt/power, you need to be able to lie lie and lie again and change your mind whilst denying you actually have...... so take a closer look at javid, hancock, morgan?

I think on the ERG side, they've people who have supported leaving the EU for decades, likewise, being in the LDs Greens or even Labour is not a shortcut to get into power, so these people must be fairly committed in what they believe.
After all if all you want is an easy ride to the top, become a tory!

@ilovesooty
I loathed Thatcher but I think she did have beliefs that defined her actions

Interesting example, given as she is probably the most divisive PM in UK history. Do you have any more examples? Or can it be conceded that most PMs and ladder-climbing politicians put aside their personal feelings in exchange for power? And this is not a new thing since Brexit?

ilovesooty

Thatcher was certainly amoral in her destruction of the unions. The first PM to use the police for political gain.

No the Liberals ie Liberal Democrats were not going to revote and stay in
They pledged to revoke Article 50.

@ilovesooty

No the Liberals ie Liberal Democrats were not going to revote and stay in
They pledged to revoke Article 50

Autocorrect typo from that users phone/computer I would have thought? I don’t know though.