to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

FFS, not this again. I dare say we won't feel any different when we wake up on Saturday morning. Things will take a long time to change, and I bet they won't change all that much.

Re: the claim that Britain might be made to join an 'EU army'.

Depends on the government of the day - Lib Dems anyone?

What I foresee is actually BRINO, actually.

While those educated and committed enough to have done their homework will look on in exasperation as we 'carry on as before', while adhering to ever expanding rules and regulations coming out of Brussels; the shop floor workers won't care, won't even clock that all they've achieved is the role of rule taker, not maker.

They'll be handed a bit of a one off bonus in order to agree to 'more competitive' working practices; for accepting lower safety standards; longer shifts; no unsocial hours enhancements; maybe zero hours contracts. And why should a company pay maternity? Or long term sick pay? Or take on someone with a disability? Hmm?

But one day they'll awaken and think- hang on, my boss is on his third Caribbean cruise this year. How come I'm dependent on welfare to make ends meet? Why is my kid sitting 40 to a class in a leaky classroom? Why have all NHS targets been abandoned because they are impossible to meet? Why has the quality of my food fallen, yet the price risen? Why can't I afford the Costas any more? Must be the nasty EU... oh, hang on....

You should be thanking them not forgiving then

The government had it entirely within its powers to manage EU immigration, to prosecute sub-minimum wage paying employers, to fine them for shoving their workforce into dangerous, overcrowded unsanitary accommodation.

But chose not to.

Let's home those parents are lining up for seasonal harvest work in 2020....

Are there any stats on countries in the EU that have successfully removed "inefficient" EU migrants (genuinely interested)?

According to this legal blog (civil rights/judicial review litigation firm);

"the UK is the only member state that has removed persons on grounds of rough sleeping"

That may well be because other countries enforce EU rules in suck a way that they remove themselves. Where I live you can't fart without a social security identity number and the only way to get one is to be working or the dependent of a worker. No access to benefits, no access to healthcare, no access to education, some shops even require it. So people come to find work and if their funds run out they go home.

We'll be ok for 2020 as the Withdrawal Agreement lasts for the rest of the year. It's more about when it ends, if it isn't extended again of course.

@MaxNormal

Because you know everything about everything and that’s the end 😂

Give over, you know nothing more than the average person, but at least some of us don’t proclaim to know all the facts about everything.

I will, thank you. The sooner the better

get over it as it's happening

@Chocowoka as I said some leavers behave with a modicum of class and grace. You're not one of them.

Chocowoka and this is why Remainers think Brexiters are daft. Argue something completely incorrect till you're blue in the face and somehow think your incorrect nonsense is just as valid as actual facts.

But hey, people are sick of experts apparently...

No access to benefits, no access to healthcare, no access to education

EU rough sleepers in the UK mostly don't have access to public funds either.

8,000 rough sleepers in Paris in 2018;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-42831785

Everyone going on about thre Australian system

You know Australia is nearly 30% immigrant yes?

The UK is 14%

Australia has a higher immigration rate per head of population

I lived in Spain for 15 years and to get their NHS treatment you have to bring your S1 card and passport to prove your identity. If you have treatment without these you are presented with a bill which you have to pay before you leave the hospital. If other countries can do this why can't we?

@ilovesooty

The irony of your post.

Some remainders accept the situation and move and don’t continually go on and on and on.... 🙄

We live in a democracy, yet people still can’t accept the vote. They try to belittle the majority as ignorant and uninformed. They continue to go on and on (hence the thread) about why it’s not fair...

Then you get the likes of you, whereby you try to insult on the back of passive aggressive and arrogant quote.

Accept it and move on.....

1 - They did not vote to join the EU, they voted to join the pre-cursor of the EEC and as such the slow amalgamation into being forced to be part of the EU was not democratic, because there was no vote to merge.

I really get fed up with this mardy, "we didn't vote for it" nonsense. We have a Parliamentary democracy, not one of plebiscite. Ted Heath was elected in 1970 and it was known that he wanted to take us in. So if they voted Tory, that is what they voted for. They then didn't vote to go in, in 1975, already being in - that was Harold Wilson pulling the same stunt as Cameron, but Wilson was a sight more crafty than Cameron, so got the result he wanted.

2 - It is not economically viable for Germany, UK and to some extent france, to prop up failing economies of Europe. (especially the later joining states, which again the UK people did not vote for).
Again this is rubbish - Major pressed for the inclusion of the E European states. Major was re-elected in 1992 with a majority, so the same comments about 'not voting for it' apply.

3 - The misuse and abuse of foreign labour. - People coming across for seasonal work (for example farming) where they just come over here for a few months, are treated badly by the employer (basically gang labour) and then sent back home is not embracing foreigners in the country.

Then they need to take that up with UK employers and UK Governments. Shitty employers will probably always exist, certainly as long as they can get away with it. The Chinese cockle pickers who drowned in Morecambe Bay weren't EU citizens, but you can bet the employer was a shit to let it happen.

simply because we are opening ourselves up to a wider market. Rather than limiting ourselves to a declining trade block

Good grief. Did people really vote Leave based on the perception that we couldn't trade with anyone other than EU countries? That's frightening.

Yep. Can't forgive.

No one I've spoken to can actually give me a properly thought out reason for voting for it. Everyone I've spoken to believes there will be absolutely no negative financial impact.

We'll get in with it and get through it, but the impact it has had on many industries because of uncertainty his a problem. We will be no better off because of it. It has been a complete and utter waste of time.

@Chocowoka I maintain your language is mannerless and graceless given you got the outcome you wanted, not to mention your apparent difficulty with facts which has been highlighted by others.

Given that, I'm afraid I don't have any inclination to waste my time on what you and your ilk think of me.

@MaxNormal

You’re entitled to your opinion. I believe you believe you’re an expert on immigration policies regarding the EU and UK but I don’t think you as informed as you believe....

Some remainers just won’t let it drop and constantly think they’re right. Folk can’t be bothered with it.

When people say "Accept it and move on" the subtext seems to be "Accept it and close your eyes to all the downsides, like we have for the last four years". I've fully accepted that it's going to happen - it would clearly be daft not to - but why should that mean that I'm forever prohibited from noting and commenting on all the problems that arise from it?

I really get fed up with this mardy, "we didn't vote for it" nonsense. We have a Parliamentary democracy, not one of plebiscite. Ted Heath was elected in 1970 and it was known that he wanted to take us in. So if they voted Tory, that is what they voted for. They then didn't vote to go in, in 1975, already being in - that was Harold Wilson pulling the same stunt as Cameron, but Wilson was a sight more crafty than Cameron, so got the result he wanted.

This. We also repeatedly voted in Thatcher and Blair, both of whom made it very clear that they were pro-EU.

@ilovesooty

Facts that I was ‘given’ by a remainer? Because they’re the fountain of all knowledge.

I don’t care what random people on an internet site think of my option and how I articulate it.

Even by the tone in your posts you can tell that you’re bitter about the situation. Many people didn’t vote for it, but they don’t throw personal insults around and throw their toys out of the pram because they didn’t get their way.

They almost certainly don't know that easyandy. Just heard the term Australian style points system somewhere and parroted it with no understanding.

Funny that you're saying someone isn't as informed as they think they are on EU free movement law chocowoka. Pot kettle situation there!

How is describing the language you used as graceless a personal insult?

You got the outcome you wanted but you still don't seem to be happy. Commiserations.

YANBU. We lost, but we should get away from it rather than over it. There's still eleven months of transition in which you can legally move to an EU country. Your job (if you work) will be leaving Brexit Britain, you might as well go too!