to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

YANBU. Not even a little bit. It makes me feel depressed every time I think about it.

Vanhi,

That's an A+ for you.

A country gets the government it deserves. People should have the chance to get what they wish for. I used to think the only good thing that will come out of all this is that once the Tory government don’t have the EU to blame/scapegoat for things, people might realise that it’s their own governments domestic policies that were screwing them all along but now I’m resigned to think they will probably scapegoat someone else. Anyone else but them. What’s been stopping the government funding the north or investing in schools or the NHS or putting tighter controls on immigration (like so many other EU countries do) whilst we were part of the EU? Was that the EUs fault?! Stockholm syndrome.

What baffles me is leavers thinking immigration will go down as a result of leaving the EU. We have to make more trade deals with countries in Africa and Asia most likely in exchange for freedom of movement. There will be an influx of immigrants with even more disparity in culture and race than the current EU citizens. The second and third largest migrant populations at present come from outside the EU anyway.

I don’t think the EU is perfect. It needs a lot of changes and reform. I voted remain because I believe the biggest problems in this country are not caused by the EU.

I feel that if you are in the EU, you also need to adopt the euro. The UK wanted to be treated as an outsider on this point. You can't keep regarding ypurself as different from the other EU countries

See also Denmark, Sweden, Romania, Czechia, Bulgaria, Hungary, Poland and Croatia. The UK wasn't the only member state not to adopt the Euro, and my Danish and Swedish friends feel strongly about not joining the EZ.

Wonder what will happen to all the deluded poor souls who voted to leave but live in EU member states; retirees in Spain or South France. Not wanting to Britain to be governed by the EU, they choose to nonetheless live in an EU member state.
So that's an interesting conundrum.
Still at least they have the option to return to Brexit Britain if it doesn't work out over there after we leave the EU.

I suppose it depends what you read regarding how difficult/easy it removing citizens that haven’t got a job for example and can’t support themselves.

My understanding is that it’s difficult for the home office to remove EU nationals due to human rights etc...

There’s only two grounds by which it’s deemed acceptable and that’s public policy and public security.

Chocowoka why are you maintaining this fiction when numerous people have explained to you exactly how EU countries implement their residency requirements, and that the UK was perfectly welcome to do so as well? Is it because it doesn't marry up with your beliefs?

And it's not "what I read", I am literally in the process of moving to an EU country so I'm going through it in person.

EU nationals are being removed, but you wouldn't hear much about that. Those most likely would involve criminal justice, not failing to find a job.

Are there any stats on countries in the EU that have successfully removed "inefficient" EU migrants (genuinely interested)? Its not something I would be overly happy to fund, I imagine it would cost a lot as the majority of illegal migrants are over stayers.

I personally dont think it's unreasonable for people to prove they can support themselves/ speak the language etc in a new country and will be of benefit. I in no means believe the rhetoric that migrants come here for benefitS, i do though believe people come to the UK for the benefit of the nhs, and a state education.

Just like recouping money in the NHS when people from other countries use the NHS and we can reclaim the money, we are too lazy to do that, whereas other countries aren't.

Are you sure about that, needaholiday? I thought the NHS tried to reclaim money when it could, but some of the patients from other countries went home, or they didn’t have enough money to pay with.

@MaxNormal

Of course you don’t want Brexit to happen as that would mess up your current situation....

Of course you pissed off that the majority didn’t vote for the same as you....

I’m not proclaiming to know the ins and out of it all, but I’m order sure you don’t know all the finer details either!!

You don’t know the intricate details of each EU counties stance on immigration etc.... you know nothing more than the ins and outs of YOUR particular circumstances. I highly doubt it would be routinely available to Jack public anyway.

More people wanted to leave than remain so get over it as it’s happening.

Mljea I didnt make my post very clear, what i was talking about was a poster on here that accused me of letting her child die because she might not be able to get her childs medication.

Well it depends what you read in that you can read the actual law or some things that aren't the actual law...

Ok...

It's a trading bloc that overstepped its mark. Get a grip.

As long as it's you, newbie who is the first in line for redundancy, that's fine by me.

So me and my parents don't agree on BREXIT. They are for, I am against.. Their reasons are:
1 - They did not vote to join the EU, they voted to join the pre-cursor of the EEC and as such the slow amalgamation into being forced to be part of the EU was not democratic, because there was no vote to merge.
2 - It is not economically viable for Germany, UK and to some extent france, to prop up failing economies of Europe. (especially the later joining states, which again the UK people did not vote for).
3 - The misuse and abuse of foreign labour. - People coming across for seasonal work (for example farming) where they just come over here for a few months, are treated badly by the employer (basically gang labour) and then sent back home is not embracing foreigners in the country. They (parents) have no issue with people settling in the country and becoming UK citizens, they have issue with people being brought over, getting less than minimum wage and being shipped back again.
Personally I don't think 1) is a good reason. i didn't vote for many things that were already law, but I do get points 2 and 3.

I didn’t like the idea of an Euro army for one, it smacks of finishing what hitler started

@Chocowoka
Re: leavers who live in EU countries after Brexit

I was thinking more in terms if reciprocal healthcare were to come to an end, or such changes came about as a result of Brexit that meant it became financially unfeasible to stay in the country of their choice.
Or if changes to resident status were to change for example.

I'm not taking about force expulsion.

Chocowoka these are standard EU freedom of movement things, which I plainly know far more than you about because you've shown a complete lack of knowledge about the issue and blamed the EU from the UKs failure to implement any checks and controls.

My situation isn't messed up at all, as it happens, I've got till the end of the year to take advantage of freedom of movement which I am doing.

Enjoy your Brexit UK.

I didn’t like the idea of an Euro army for one, it smacks of finishing what hitler started

This comment snacks of not understanding EU policy or European history.

Are there any stats on countries in the EU that have successfully removed "inefficient" EU migrants (genuinely interested)?

According to this legal blog (civil rights/judicial review litigation firm);

"the UK is the only member state that has removed persons on grounds of rough sleeping"

dpglaw.co.uk/rough-sleeping-as-an-abusemisuse-of-the-right-to-freedom-of-movement/

I do wonder what people who have concerns about the abuse of seasonal EU labour for crop picking etc think is going to happen if it stops being available. There's already a horrifying amount of exploited illegal labour in the UK, doing jobs British people (understandably) aren't keen on.

@Evilspiritgin

Re: the claim that Britain might be made to join an 'EU army'. Please read

fullfact.org/online/EU-army-conscription/