to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

Oulu - i dont think thats entirely fair - im pro eu but my whole life i have seen people speaking out against it.
For many including a bigger number of countires was about expanding existing economic benefts and a view that a bigger economic union was the way forward rather than a deeper union and having more countries would make a deeper union less likely.
The maastrict treaty was controversial at the time and lots of concessions were negotiated for the uk like removing the word federal.

Im not going to forgive, nor forget. I am going to laugh (hollow laugh) as the resulting shitty situation is blamed on anything but Brexit. Its going to rumble on for years. The shit has a year before it hits the fan. You can guarantee it will be the poorer members of society hardest hit.

We also had the concession of not joining the Euro which I doubt we'll be given if we apply to rejoin.

I adore Europe, my family is a rainbow of European nationalities.

I regularly holiday in Europe.
I don't however want an political aligning, joining or anything else with it.

People managed to live and work in the eu before closer Union. I've no fear at all that my dc won't be able to access it, work, live there just like their forebears did before closer Union.

And if they have to pay a small fee for a visa so be it.

I'm so relieved that whatever shenanigans they get up to from here on in won't be our issues any more.

Because it’s a passive aggressive comment and we weren’t actually conversing, yet you chose single my comment out. But I suspect you know exactly what I mean.

You talk about people handling situations with grace, well it’s due to attitudes like this, that I now want to leave again.

I voted to leave originally then changed my mind, so I decided to withhold my vote in the general election. I didn’t want to help the tories in to power and proceed with Brexit.

We all know the outcome so I sucked it up.

I really don't understand why people keep saying "It was OK before we joined the EU, therefore it'll be OK again now." The notion that we'll simply wind the clock back 50 years and carry on as we were before is unbelievably unrealistic.

What's your basis for thinking British citizens will be able to access the EU just like their forebears did sally, have the other member states confirmed that they'll be returning to the same arrangements as pre accession?

Also, if you think what the massive trading bloc we have a land border with does won't be our issue anymore once we go, I have a beachfront property in Tameside that you're likely to be interested in.

And what if we thrive.
The UK always rises.
We have a work ethic, and our financial market will now be open to the rest of the world.

I don't have to be conversing with someone to pick up on a comment they made. It's not how a forum works.

So you now want to leave "again"?
The situation is what it is. I accept it as fact but I don't have to be happy about it. However your vote was one of those that caused it to happen so I'm not particularly interested in your thought processes.

The UK always rises

Shades of Dad's Army there.

But you asked how it was a personal insult and I advised because you chose to pick up on my use of language particularly and make a passive aggressive comment.

Don’t be so bitter about it though. There’s no point. As you say, it is what it is

We will be petitioning to be back in within a generation.

We were the sick man of Europe before we joined, to all those saying how lovely it was back then. I do not have confidence in our current government to get the best deal for the masses. The rich will be ok, they always are. Daily mail readers are mugs and now we have to bear the consequences.

our financial market will now be open to the rest of the world.

Errm. Our financial market always has been open to the rest of the world. The problem now is that as a result of Brexit, London's position as a financial centre is under threat www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jan/27/new-york-london-financial-centre-brexit

Honestly, I try really hard to remember that there are valid reasons to leave. I try to remember that some leavers are informed and had reasons to vote the way they did. Then people come up with this half-baked, ill-informed shit and I just despair.

But it is true.
They mentioned the wars in the EU yesterday.
We are and all will be one of the world's biggest spenders on good, people want to trade,Ike the status of made in UK on goods .

They mentioned the wars in the EU yesterday.

What wars? What did "they" say?

I think @Chocowoka you could revisit your understanding of the definitions of "personal insult" and "passive aggressive".

I will be as bitter about it as I like, and feel no obligation to do what you say. You may have missed or failed to understand my comments regarding the difference between acceptance of fact and being happy about that fact.

The UK always rises.

All Empires fall. For Millenia Greece led the world, then the Roman Empire, later the Spanish Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Where exactly are they all now?

Where is the evidence that other countries are eager to offer us trade deals we couldn't access before?

People managed to live and work in the eu before closer Union. I've no fear at all that my dc won't be able to access it, work, live there just like their forebears did before closer Union.

I honestly can't get over the naivety. Both full blown brexiters and EFTA are characterised by this.

Pre EU you weren't competing with people who were in the EU and had citizenship. Now your children will be competing will people who dont have a whole bunch of red tape associated with them.

Deckthehallswithlotsofcake

I have pointed out many times that the current situation with fruit farmers is of their own making,
They were quite happy to employ illegal work gangs and not employ the locals.
Now they are whinging because it has come back to bite them on the arse.

@ilovesooty

Well it’s been an experience conversing with you, as a random stranger on the internet that happens to share a different viewpoint to me.

I’m quite content with my understanding of the English language and where it’s appropriate to use it.

Im equally content with the notion that not everyone on the internet is as well informed of the facts as they think they are, but hey ho....if they want to portray themselves as the fountain of all knowledge regarding Brexit then who am I to disagree with them? (I’m on part of a majority and total of 17.5 million people that share similar views)

....however, I have got children and a husband to feed, so sadly I can’t continue with our back and forth contrasting views, therefore it’s over and out for me.

Ike the status of made in UK on goods .

Erm, take a look in your own wardrobe to see how much is made in the UK. I can almost guarantee that the labels will include some of Bangladesh, Turkey, Sri Lanka, China, China again, and again. You will be hard put to find something made in Britain.

Then take a look around your kitchen. Ah you say, I don't have Miele or Bosch in my kitchen, I have Hotpoint. ukmade.wordpress.com/tag/hotpoint/ You might be lucky and find that your tumble drier was made here (just subject to a recall) but a vast amount of other domestic equipment isn't.

The UK always rises.

This is Roland Smith's (previously pro brexit) view of the best possible outcome.

Btw, we've been in relative decline since 1850 (ref: The Rise and Fall of Great Nations - Paul Kennedy)

I’m utterly and completely pissed off that something I voted for in 1972 has been taken away and the last years of my life will be blighted as a result. And no, I can’t and won’t forgive my contemporaries for the damage they’ve inflicted on my country, my children and grandchildren.

What's done is done. Can't do anything about it now. Better to get behind it and hope for the best. No point wasting energy on something that can't be changed. 🤷‍♂️