to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

I wouldn't say I can't forgive them. I am disappointed that so many people voted for something that I think will be hugely negative and without ( that I've seen or heard in most cases) good reason to do so.

I'm angry with the leaders that got us here.

But I will be thinking 'but this is what you voted for' as soon as people start moaning that they can't as easily get their medicine, or things are more expensive, or there are even fewer care staff to look after their Gran, or the fish off Grimsby has all gone into a European net... think thats when I will get really annoyed-when the impact is felt and bemoaned by those who claimed to know, but couldn't explain, why they voted leave.

Get a grip

Come up North, bask in the glory that was life under the EU. That's why people voted leave.

Four years down the road how can anyone genuinely believe that regional inequality is not attributable to our own government?

1. How will the Northern glory improve after Friday?

1. If the Tories do make Northern improvements why didn't they do this before?

I am not angry at individual leave voters. I am (was)disapppointed with the result in 2016 and again in December. I am trying very hard to understand that a liberal democracy with FOM wasn't percieved to be in everyones best interests (just in the best interests of everyone I know). I have to accept that our politicians and to some extent the media (the liberal elite) were dragging the rest of the Country somewhere they didn't want to be.

No I don't think calling the 52% thick is helpful.

I'm in a leave voting Northern area. I voted Remain. It's not about Get Over It. It's about, frankly, your mental health. You will chew yourself up if you don't find a way to live with it - speaking to dh here because he is still pretty fucking angry. Most people that I know who live around here voted Leave. I have to assume most of DD's school friends' parents voted Leave.
My view now is, we disagreed on tbe vote and probably still do. Our elected Parliament voted to trigger Article 50 and, again in my view, that made it a democratic decision that I must accept. Like all the other ones I have had to accept in my long life that I didn't agree with. Like the election of Thatcher. People made their choice for a reason (or several reasons) because the alternative wasn't attractive to them. Me included.
I cannot thrive and hate everyone around me. Which sounds pompous so here is what I am really doing:
having ensured that I sorted out DD's Irish citizenship (courtesy of my late mum who was Irish), I'm taking tbe route of "sit back and watch the shit show". If the worst that happens is that I am wrong then that's all good. I'm also a general prepper so, in the very unlikely event of things being catastrophically bad, I've got a head start on coping with that.
Let them have their fun as we leave. And then watch it unravel. Or not. But to quote the cliche - don't let them grind you down. Your mental health is more important.

Am I the only person who remembers how much lower our standard of living was before we joined the Common Market. When people bang on about what a prosperous country we are I say we have done well because of the Union especially in the banking sector as we are seen as a springboard into Europe. This connection has influenced all sorts of trade agreements. I also remember how much duller our food and society was before compared with the present day abundance. So am I the only old codger who didn’t wear rose coloured spectacles when voting.

People forget that the EU is an expensive talk shop. My friend worked there as a secretary and she said a document won't be seen until the end of the year as it had to be stamped by all member states. Don't forget this is Germany's toy backed up by poser France. The way we were treated when May was Premier was unforgivable. Talking about small-minded and insular. We were the 2nd largest payer and when it came to re-distribution of funds, we, as a country, suffered because of reverse discrimination. Small countries got more awards than farmers here. As some posters said, remainers have lost twice and last time it was a resounding loss. Swear words by these we know better posters only make them look all the more unpleasant.

I always laugh when people who clearly know absolutely nothing about immigration policy tell us what a wonderful thing an Australian style points system would be. Never having the faintest idea that it's easier to get there than here without a job offer, and that when we had wider provisions to allow migrants to come without a job offer as part of our points based system, we got rid of them.

No I don't think calling the 52% thick is helpful

Anyone listen to R4's Farming Today? interviewing a young (leaver voter) sheep farmer who is now apprehensive about whether his farm can survive, he wants the Govt to intervene and stop supermarkets buying lamb from cheaper countries such as NZ (so also a communist? lol!)
He is worried about a no-deal, meaning tariffs on his sheep exports to Europe.
He stands by his vote, absolutely, even if it means his business going bust.

I wouldn't call him thick (as i couldn't do his job) but i would say he is the author of his own misfortune and worry, unfortunately, he expects my taxes to support his business too.

"So am I the only old codger who didn’t wear rose coloured spectacles when voting."
No
Again, my mantra for the next few days "let them have their fun".

Mine for the next few days is that I'm going to have mine...

jasjas1973

I agree that it is bemusing as to why farmers would vote for Brexit as they have always done quite well out of the EU.

However when looking at the farming 'communities/areas' it is simple to see why people voted against the EU.

And just FYI for all

I won't be celebrating as there is nothing yet to celebrate.

That's your issue not ours OP

Molly22 posted an intelligent, pragmatic response to why she voted leave.

Interesting that no Remainer on this thread has yet responded to it.

Paddyfodder

Possibly the most ignorant thing I’ve heard on this debate.

A) I don’t believe that job ad was only in polish and b) Google translate is perfectly adequate for that sort of content. I am a professional translator btw.

Well I wouldn't have phrased it like that, and in my own family I'm proud to say that the elderly have a 100% anti-Brexit voting record: unfortunately not an achievement shared by the younger generations. But then, the elderly in my family remember WW2.

However, on a population level it is true that support for Brexit is lowest amongst the youngest and gets higher the older you go. A lot of people have pointed out since the referendum that demographic change was likely to deliver an anti Brexit majority pretty quickly. And of course that's what happened last month, it's just that we decided to have a referendum through the medium of first past the post. One of the most interesting things about the seats gained by the Tories from Labour is the age profile.

Molly22 talks about prosperity. I suppose at least she may see the benefits of Brexit to the economy when they arrive in 50 years time, many of us on here won’t.

Where is it?

@FriedasCarLoad

Did you read any Irish history in your extensive research?

The good news is that most brexiters are old. We’ll just wait for then to die and then rejoin the EU.

Paddy how long will we have to wait for them to die? 5 years? 10 years?

The voting on here is 52% YABU which aligns to the actual vote!

The good news is that most brexiters are old. We’ll just wait for then to die and then rejoin the EU.

The latter bit sounds OK. Not so sure about the waiting for the old to die - I'm not going anywhere just yet.