to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

[mrsmootoo]

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

The only positive thing I can see from brexit is it might mean we stop having to have had annoying pop up on every website about accepting cookies, but it probably won't. Everything else is better in the EU.

Every single person I know irl who is worried about EU immigration has based those concerns on fundamentally racist beliefs such as 'they all claim benefits'. Every single one of them.

One of the reasons my mum voted leave was because a report came out saying that some areas of London are now minority white. Yep she doesn't like the fact there are so many black faces in London. She's never even been to London.

And that was one of her more rational reasons.

It's absolutely turkeys voting for Christmas. This is true regardless of whether anyone likes it being said and regardless of whether it was an electoral convenient fact. Too many people think that because something was a vote loser it can't possibly be correct. Alas no!

OP……… you are assuming Brexiteers care that you can’t or won’t forgive them. You are wrong in that assumption.

Quite frankly, if any voter cannot respect or recognise the outcome of a democratic vote regardless of their choice to leave or stay, they need to grow up.

@mrsmootoo
Tell her brexit will replace white European Christian immigrants with brown Asian Muslim immigrants.

That's the only bit of Brexit I take any pleasure in. Racists have shot themselves in the foot. :)

As if the truly wealthy aren't pro Brexit.

OP……… you are assuming Brexiteers care

I know leave voters don't care what I think. I have yet to met even one Leave voter who gives a single shit about the peace in NI so as if they'd care about the consequences for me and my children.

Very true kendodd.

Meh, I can't get angry at people stupid enough to vote for brexit, it's like getting angry at a dog for chasing it's own tail. Can't be helped.

I'm fucking furious at the likes of Cameron, Farage and Boris for fucking us over for personal gain, and that is all it is.

And people who think I should think like Nish Kumar. Again, I won’t go into skin colour. It’s a mindset. I get you. It is a mindset and a sort of tribalism. Discussion is impossible. Above a previous poster called me dishonest for saying I voted Remain and now veer towards Brexit. If there had been a second referendum I would probably have voted Remain again but not wholeheartedly.

@Wearywithteens
I am going the challenge the very convenient mantra that blames the poor for Brexit.
Wealthy, home countries pensioners living comfortable lives in big houses with fat pensions voted for Brexit. They don't fit the downtrodden, suffering, narrative some like to push though.

If the lovely, morally superior remainers had shared a bit of the wealth and privilege a few decades earlier this might never have happened.

So was it them who kept voting Tory then, ensuring that no wealth need be shared?

I think what is really mystifying is that Brexiteers are jumping up and down celebrating and wanting to ring bells and yet still no-one can explain what the plan is. Three years on there is still no plan - and yet we are supposed to believe it will all be done and dusted by December. I can accept that people have voted for it, but I'm still not entirely sure what they have voted for and I think, if they are honest, neither can they.

Apart from today in EU Parliament, and a possible damp squib on Friday at 11pm,(but I may be surprised at the lengths some will go to be jingoistic and triumphalist), I doubt many Brexiters care much.

As you were, back to your red tops and all that.

Honestly, is this what the UK has become? Very saddened by it all. But I doubt anyone cares now, they won of course. In your face at every turn. It can be quite nasty.

Its about communities, traditions and national identity

And how is Brexit going to make this better? Specifically?

Being in a multi cultural, multi nation uk is about community and identity for me. One of the reasons why people are so angry I'd because a part of their identity is being taken away.

And remainers aren't responsible for sharing wealth or opportunity, the government is the government that gave you Brexit and got voted back in and then promptly rennaged on promises for the north. That government. All this has done is reduced opportunity for everyone.

I said that Brexiteers probably don’t care about the forgiveness of Remainers. That doesn’t mean that they don’t care about various issues in society.

Why should Brexiteers care about Remainers who make such gross generalisations about their views, opinions and political stance?

I know both leavers and Remainers who are a mixture of ethnicities, ages, genders and political views. If a person is that ignorant that they decide to categorise all of them in the same way, why should they want that persons forgiveness?

It’s about communities, traditions and national identity

Aye, English national identity. And fuck the rest of us.

Yeah derxa, discussion becomes impossible when people do things like, erm, dismiss sadness about the loss of a potential opportunity for our youth as whining. If only there were something you could do to not contribute to the widening of divisions!

I know leave voters don't care what I think. I have yet to met even one Leave voter who gives a single shit about the peace in NI so as if they'd care about the consequences for me and my children.

So you are suggesting we should give in to terrorists, are you an IRA sympathizer, does any threat of violence mean people cannot act on a vote, without posting your history on the labour antisemitism threads where you continued to downplay it, are you trying to play the victim and still pretend you are presenting a rational argument?

The bottom line is that the middle classes are bitter that all the privilege and opportunities they benefit from are being curtailed by ‘thick’, ‘racists chavs’ from shithole areas that didn’t reap any benefit of EU membership. If the lovely, morally superior remainers had shared a bit of the wealth and privilege a few decades earlier this might never have happened

Ah the sweet sweet sound of class envy!

I came from a shit hole of an up bring, All 3 of us aimed high and went onto to become this middle class sect you hate... but i bet you like the 40% income tax we pay though don't you?

If you couldn't afford to holiday in Tuscany or have a house in the Pyrenean foothills, then the only person you should blame is yourself because this country offered an education and university system that until a few years ago was entirely free (and still world class) if you didn't make the most of that then that's your fault.

Unfortunately many leave voting areas have benefited from EU funding and their livelihoods might now be at risk.

You offer purely economic arguments about immigration.

I'm aware that that doesn't adequately cover all the many valuable contributions immigrants make. However, it does counteract the argument I've heard that immigrants are an economic drain.

For most Brexit voters, this isn’t about economics, it’s much more emotional. It’s about communities, traditions and national identity. Your post tells me you haven’t listened to people

I've listened. Unfortunately much of what I've heard has been a concern about economic cost or, as I said above, it's been a fear of something different. And that's what I wonder about. I do not feel threatened by immigrant contribution to community and tradition. Do you want to pop out for a curry? A kebab maybe? How about pizza?

Do you want to go to the British Museum? Can you imagine it with only British artefacts in it? Are you going to ditch anything the Romans brought with them? Have you ever been to Bath? Do you want to know what it would have looked like without an immigrant community? Would you like to try out a new, British only calendar not based on events in western Asia?

British culture changes and adapts. It has so many component parts drawn from so many different populations. Immigration enriches us, not just economically but culturally and socially. I've listened to people's concerns - and sadly most of it just sounds like the front page of the Daily Mail.

without posting your history on the labour antisemitism threads where you continued to downplay it

Please do post my history on Labour antisemitism threads. I would be very interested to see it considering I have never even posted on any Labour threads at all, don't vote Labour and am from a half Jewish family.

There's a useful point to be made about the deliberate presentation of Brexit as the protest of the excluded, rather than wealthy pensioners, when both were included in a larger Leave coalition. The left are just as fond of this as the right. It's a convenient narrative.