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to find it impossible to forgive Brexiters

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mrsmootoo · 29/01/2020 16:53

Can't forgive Brexiters for voting Leave. Find it impossible to move on from this. If there are any positives about leaving EU (?!) they are far outweighed by Remaining. Brexit posts on social media are so aggressive and unpleasant - you lost get over it. Really concerned about my kids' prospects, not being able to travel/work abroad as easily etc.

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wincarwoo · 29/01/2020 19:54

This "i'm being a grown up" superior crap.

Having strong feelings about the referendum doesn't make you any less of one.

Sickofrain · 29/01/2020 19:54

I loathe Brexiteers gloating.
I loathe remainers making out that's it the end of the world.

I sympathise very much with normal, sensible people who were either very much inconvenienced by our being in the EU, or who will become so by our leaving.

ScreamingLadySutch · 29/01/2020 19:54

www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/03/08/the-costs-of-crime

BathroomBaby · 29/01/2020 19:56

Havent read the full thread OP but I do empathise with your gut reaction here. This made extremely sad reading first me this evening. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/29/brexit-meps-to-vote-on-withdrawal-agreement-ahead-of-uk-departure?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

I'm also furious for Farage's disrespectful behaviour today when the Europeans were so gracious and affectionate towards the UK and made such generous tributes. A sad sad day indeed.

I know holding onto anger isn't generally helpful in life, and I feel it will change to sadness over time but I never want to forget how angry I was and become despondent. There are plenty of us progressives left to keep fighting the good fight.

happyandsingle · 29/01/2020 19:58

So many over dramatic responses.Lets just give it a chance to see what happens before all this we are doomed crap.

ScreamingLadySutch · 29/01/2020 19:59

"Within living memory, Britain was one of the most law-abiding nations on the face of the earth. When Singapore's Lee Kuan Yew visited London right after World War II, he was so impressed with the honesty of the British and their respect for law and order that he returned home determined to make Singapore the same way.

Today it is Singapore that is one of the most law-abiding nations in the world while Britain's crime rate has risen to the point where, for the first time, it now exceeds the crime rate in the United States.

What happened in the intervening years was the rise of the British left's dogmas about crime to complete domination of the country's legal system and its political and media elites.

Today, a burglar caught in the act by the police in Britain is almost certain to get a warning. If he has previous burglary convictions, he may get a sterner warning. But he is unlikely to face anything so draconian as being put behind bars.

Burglary has been described as a "minor" offense by leaders of both the Conservative and Labor parties in Britain. Rare cases where burglars are put in prison are criticized by the media.

The left's ideology on crime, including their disdain for property crimes, has spread across the political spectrum to all who wish to be considered up to date. That ideology is essentially the same on both sides of the Atlantic but in Britain it has achieved far greater unchallenged dominance.

Among the dogmas of the left is that putting people in prison fails to reduce crime and that the social "root causes" of crime must be dealt with to prevent it beforehand and that "rehabilitation" through various programs "in the community" are more effective than locking up criminals.

None of this is new and the rationales for it go back at least two centuries. What is remarkable is how mountains of hard evidence to the contrary have been ignored, evaded, or simply lied about, on both sides of the Atlantic.

David Fraser's book "A Land Fit for Criminals" examines that evidence at length and exposes the fraudulence of the claims used to try to justify continuing to be lenient to criminals as crime rates have soared in Britain.

There are similar mountains of evidence against the left's crime dogmas in the United States and this evidence is similarly ignored, evaded or lied about by those on the left. It is just that the left faces stronger opposition here so that it has not achieved the pervasive dominance that it has in Britain -- yet.

In both countries, ideologues have the support of "practical" politicians and bureaucrats who simply do not want to spend the money needed to build and maintain enough prisons to put career criminals away for many years.

Those weighing costs and benefits define "costs" as government expenditures. But the costs paid by the public, just in economic terms, vastly exceed the cost of more prisons. But that does not count for either the ideologues or the "practical" politicians and criminal justice bureaucrats."

nobodyimportant · 29/01/2020 20:03

But it is an illustration that the bureaucrats are not the ones who should be calling the shots.

fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-brussels-bureaucrats/?utm_source=content_page&utm_medium=related_content

SJaneS48 · 29/01/2020 20:03

While I’d completely agree it’s a pile of shit, it’s a democracy and we didn’t win so yes, bugger all we can do but live with it and being hacked of with your Auntie or whoever isn’t going to change things. If things do go tits up, I’m going to have zero sympathy for anyone who voted Leave and is complaining (and I’ll bloody well expect them to own it) but being continuously angry at people just isn’t worth the energy! I’m sure we all have people we care about and like and respect who voted Leave, I think it’s time to let it go.

BoxedWine · 29/01/2020 20:04

The country I live in has a law which requires jobs go to nationals or EU citizens first. Post brexit a British person would still be allowed to work here only if the employer could prove that they couldn't recruit anyone from within the EU.

Which is the case for a lot of UK jobs too. That's basically what the Tier 2 skilled work visa requires, unless it's a job considered shortage: employer has to show they couldn't get someone who wouldn't require a visa, before sponsoring a worker.

ilovesooty · 29/01/2020 20:04

I have nothing but contempt for people like @Classof66 who still use the term remoaners

nobodyimportant · 29/01/2020 20:05

We didn't vote to join a European Union with a single currency that would be the single currency that we chose not to take part in?

SpecLosers · 29/01/2020 20:06

Sad to see the polarisation already, even though transition beckons for another year where really nothing will be noticed as being different for a while.

The test will come this time next year and I fear for the ability of the Tory Gov to compromise on anything, least of all trade deals. Also, before anyone jumps in, the EU cannot be seen to give a leaving member a better or equal deal to those already members of EU.

Anyway. My take on it is BRINO. No one will notice anymore really. Will they? Brexit is done!

AgentCooper · 29/01/2020 20:07

I know how you feel OP. I find the gloating and parroting about some abstract ‘freedom’ really grotesque. I can argue and have argued at length about how Brexit is shit from an economic and cultural standpoint but have tried to hold back on being emotional about it.

I’m about ready to get emotional. Continental Europe always meant adventure, dreams, the excitement of different smelling streets, real, thick snow at night or sheltering from white hot heat in public gardens, tiny fleapit cinemas, bookshops, fucking beautiful evenings on the Paris Métro. All the different languages I could learn and the pleasure of doing so. I feel horribly sad that we’ve turned our backs on that.

KenDodd · 29/01/2020 20:08

I agree op

I know people who have lost their jobs because of Brexit.
My children will lose FOM.
Leave stired up racism and then Jo Cox was murdered by a Britain First nut job.
Leave has given birth to the New IRA who killed Lyra McKee.

Brexit voters have blood on their hands imo.
Almost everyone I know who voted Leave is a disgusting racist. Let's see if we have a spike in racist assaults this weekend as we did after the vote.

Leavers can fuck right off with 'get behind Brexit' I will never stand with all their racist groups that support them.

IvyTrails · 29/01/2020 20:08

@Miljea

you said, which I read with interest,

Actually, judging by the state of the NHS now the EU workers are walking out, you might be rather surprised.

Ours have been replaced by 'non-EU-trained' staff.

Many are OK.

Some evidently, absolutely, outrageously- aren't.

If you knew the scale of the daily fuck-ups I witness, some of which have required a swift grabbing of equipment from inept hands, you might realise how close we are.

Can you comment on the cost and ease of recruitment of healthcare staff from within and without the EU?

I seem to remember being told that EU staff are more cost effective to recruit, not needing visas, able to rent and get mortgages easily, and more likely to be be in position long term.

As opposed to a more costly recruitment cost and needing visas for non EU staff.

Is this true?

nobodyimportant · 29/01/2020 20:09

busineses between european countries and the UK will still trade, otherwise we are picking our nose to spite our face, and businese dont do that, they make trade deals.

No, businesses do not make trade deals. Governments and trading blocks (like the EU) make trade deals. The bigger the entity (country or trading block) the more power they have when making the deal. Post-Brexit we will be a very small entity with very little leverage to seecure good deals.

Curiositykilledthecat113 · 29/01/2020 20:10

If you voted for brexit I just wanna thank you for fucking up my future (I’m a young person.) I can’t believe some people can hold their babies in their arms and jeopardise their future, and the worst part is they ignorantly believe they are doing some sort of good

Justanotherlurker · 29/01/2020 20:11

If you haven't got past your denial stage after 3 years, 2 general elections, 1 MEP election with the fact we're nearly 52 hours away from leaving then I don't think you're on the side of intellectual or have any kind of critical thinking, still you're not alone.

Only 30% of Remain voters have reached acceptance on the five stages of Brexit grief

The most vocal Remainers thought that telling the electorate they were stupid, racist, uneducated and brainwashed would win them over to their cause.

And Leave voters are meant to be the ‘thick’ ones.

I'm voted remain before you try and pretend I only read the daily mail as well.

pointythings · 29/01/2020 20:16

I'm not going to waste any more emotional energy on Brexit. I'm an EU national with settled status, as are my DDs. We are all quietly getting on with our lives and our education. When we are ready, we will sell up and just leave because we have 27 other countries to choose from. I feel sorry for the people who didn't vote for this, but maybe the ones who did need to find out what it is they have so casually thrown away.

Meanwhile people like ScreamingLadySutch don't seem to give a shit about the people who have been killed via the death penalty who have been manifestly innocent. The Venn diagram of Brexiteers and death penalty supporters contains a cross section of some people I will be very glad not to share a country with.

nobodyimportant · 29/01/2020 20:17

we can wallow inisery and make if fail

Can you please explain to me how my happiness or misery is going to make the slightest bit of difference to the outcome? I will still go to work (so long as schools get enough funding for me to keep my job). My children will still go to school and hopefully on to university. The fact that I'm now intensely worried about what the future holds for them after that is not the thing that is going to make jobs exist or not exist for them.

TriangularRatbag · 29/01/2020 20:20

Agree - ex-friends who voted to leave are now ex-communicated! Very few in fact, I was apparently quite a good judge of character Grin

Some things are simply beyond the pale, regardless of how many people may do them.

DrCoconut · 29/01/2020 20:20

My brother has applied for an EU country passport which luckily he's entitled to (I'm not as we have different fathers). He's had to to keep his job options in scientific research open. As other posters have said if an employer has a choice between someone who can pop across to conferences in Paris, Prague, Madrid etc at short notice, go and do a few months placement or training etc as a right and someone who will need time consuming paperwork and costs meeting, who will get the job? And don't get me started on my step dad having to apply for permission to stay in his home of over 30 years. The process has been immensely tedious and bureaucratic and it's still not over as the powers that be don't have proof he's been here during a particular 6 months period apparently. My parents are pensioners and not in great health, they should be enjoying a peaceful retirement not worrying about whether they will be separated. It's ok to say that's over worrying but it's not when it's you that's affected. What will actually happen if he's denied his right to stay? My mum won't be able to just go to his country of origin as a non EU citizen. My children will grow up in an increasingly racist and inward looking society with reduced opportunities rather than the world being their oyster and it's sad. I don't think we will get a deal because the tories don't want one. When we're completely cut off without a lifeline they can swoop like the circling vultures that they are.

Mollie3 · 29/01/2020 20:21

@happyandsingle most sensible thing said on this thread!

nobodyimportant · 29/01/2020 20:21

Are other countries going to stop British people working there or travelling there?

Unless my relative chooses to become a citizen of the EU country where they own a house, they will only be able to spend 90 days a year there. The original plan had been 50:50 there and in the uk.

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