To think everyine has forgotten about next Frìday?

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Brexit isn't it? Im a remainer and i feel ok about it...at least my hysteria has died down. What about the rest of you?

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Isn't there an argument that if we manage to agree trade deals with places like China and India that part of the trade off will be freedom of movement for their workers, so that in areas where there have been issues like Eastern Europeans taking jobs, pressure on infrastructure like housing, hospitals, it's not going to change it will just be people coming from different countries.

So these areas will still have problems, and if the economy is going to suffer for some time before we feel any benefit, it just feels as if it is just a race to the bottom. There won't actually be any extra money to help those who need it as the economy is not going to be able to afford to do that for years.

Thank you Blibby

Although I’m really not sure if the message on the bus had said somewhat more accurately,
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The EU costs us 250 million a week. Let’s leave and use some of the money saved to fund the NHS instead.’

It would have made the blindest bit of difference to the outcome.

Although I’m really not sure if the message on the bus had said somewhat more accurately,

The EU costs us 250 million a week. Let’s leave and use some of the money saved to fund the NHS instead.’

It would have made the blindest bit of difference to the outcome.

Yeah, you’ve missed the bit about the overall cost to the economy being more than the amount “saved”.

So to be truthful it would have had to say

“ The EU costs us 250 million a week but we get a lot more than that back in overall economic activity due to our membership. Let’s leave and work out whether to cover the shortfall by making cuts to the NHS or somewhere else instead.”

And I think that probably would have made a difference to the outcome!

Or maybe not, since it was pointed out at the time by Remain and dismissed as basically “well they would say that wouldn’t they” by Leavers who as far as I can tell don’t mind being lied to as long as they like the lie

Not forgotten, no. My username was taken in disgruntled mourning. This is not a good idea.

Fuck all to do now, Johnson and his mob rules.

Is this a drip drip of extremism or were those views not really that controversial in the first place?

Deciding that extremist views aren't really terribly controversial after all is the result of the drip drip effect.

I don’t really know much about the BNP.
What was so ‘extreme’ about their policies?
How did they differ to the SNP?

Until the transition agreement is in place it won’t make any difference to anyone, no danger of no deal so just resigned to whatever happens now

I don’t really know much about the BNP. What was so ‘extreme’ about their policies? How did they differ to the SNP?

Probably worth reading a bit about the party and their policies first and then it will be clearer why there is a fundamental difference.

What you call “extremism” is just common sense to others. People like Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage are not saying anything actually offensive or controversial from a common sense point of view

FFS....it's worse than I thought!....Extremism described as common sense...Ye gods!

i haven't forgotten. im bracing myself for a surge in racism again.

Furthermore, it was generally accepted (and since proved to be the case) that leaving the EU will have at least a short term negative impact on GDP and therefore (unless taxes raised to cover the shortfall, which wasn’t on the bus) there was unlikely to be any money freed up by leaving the EU, and in fact in the short term at least there would be less money available for public spending.

No I didn’t miss it at all. But the key phrase there is short term. I think most people, even the thick/naive ones accept that there will have to be some short term pain for long term gain. I still don’t think it would have made a difference. Even without the bus at all, the result was always going to be what it was.

It's a trainwreck, I'm still heartbroken we'd do something so reckless and stupid to our children's futures. I plan to leave the TV and radio off for a few days because I don't want to witness the gloating of the Brexiteers.

There is still a risk of no deal isn't there if we can't agree details by the end of the year?

Arthritica how do you think your children’s future will be negatively impacted by Brexit?

I haven't forgotten, I veer between white hot fury at what is being taken and will be taken from me and sadness that so many people have been conned.

Seeing deluded idiots celebrating on Friday won't improve my mood. Just wondering who they will blame. A lot of vile racists are going to be very confused when they wake up on Feb 1st and all the forriners haven't disappeared either.

We will be back at the cliff edge no deal in December unless we accept all of the EU demands. Lol.

Taking back control of what we never lost to lose everything we had in the first place. Idiots.

How could anyone forget having tickets to Megadeth and Five finger death punch?

Farage's UKIP party advocated and not normal policy now:

... a return to grammar school system everywhere.
... abolition of maternity leave
... climate-change denial
... opposition to renewable energy in general
... building lots of new coal-fired power stations

That's just off top of my head.

Unfortunately people like @busybarbara now feel it's normal and acceptable to claim that the likes of Farage and Tommy Robinson are people's heroes rather than the disgusting people they are.

Hasn’t there been talk even from ardent political Leavers that it could take 50 years for the economy to finally feel the benefits of Brexit. How cannot that impact our children’s futures?

@lljkk don't forget their appalling policies on those with disabilities.

oh yeah... Nigel's plans on BBC & NHS aren't normal policy now, either.

No I didn’t miss it at all. But the key phrase there is short term. I think most people, even the thick/naive ones accept that there will have to be some short term pain for long term gain. I still don’t think it would have made a difference.

At least a short term contraction. With no real idea for how long it will last.

So our truthful bus now reads:

“ The EU costs us 250 million a week but we get a lot more than that back in overall economic activity due to our membership. It’s going to take some time to recover from losing that, if we ever do. Let’s leave and work out whether to cover the shortfall by making cuts to the NHS or somewhere else instead, which hopefully won’t be for too long. Some people will lose their jobs in the meantime but they should be able to find new jobs in whatever sectors end up replacing financial services and what have you after Brexit. Well, unless they are too old to be hired into a new sector of course. But their kids will be ok. Probably.”

A winning slogan for sure!

Thing is, if as everyone now says “of course we knew and accepted there would be short term pain” why were Leave so keen to shut down any discussion of that pre referendum? Surely if everyone was ok with it, getting it on the table could only have strengthened their case, defused the Remain objections and (glory be) actually started shaping what Brexit should be going towards not just what it should be going away from.

But instead we had “easiest deal in history”, “they need us more than we need them”, and not forgetting “let’s fund our NHS instead”. If no one believed this stuff and everyone knew it would be hard, what did they gain by saying it?

Even without the bus at all, the result was always going to be what it was.

As I mentioned before, Dominic Cummings who ran the Leave campaign absolutely does think the bus swung it. Far from “always going to be as it was”, I think it’s more realistic to say “No bus, no Brexit.”

Remainer here. For me personally, it will possibly improve things slightly career-wise and I can probably blag a bit of a payrise out of it. However, I didn't vote for just ME when I cast my vote and think overall it'll be shitty for the economy, as predicted by most leading economists. Northern Ireland were forgotten during the whole campaign which has been disgraceful. Somehow I've still been called a selfish prick by some leavers, I can't win. I'll find it a sad day and will be cracking a bottle to ease my sorrows. But at least we're not crashing out without a deal... small mercies.