To think everyine has forgotten about next Frìday?

[malificent7]

Brexit isn't it? Im a remainer and i feel ok about it...at least my hysteria has died down. What about the rest of you?

'In this case, a whole tier of Government has been removed (73 MEPs & support staff). I believe that to be a virtue in itself.'

I am a Remainer, but I do agree that one of the few benefits of Brexit will be seeing a lot of lazy obstructive Brexit MEPs specifically, losing their jobs and ceasing to embarrass us in the EU parliament and not having to contribute to their salaries any more!

On Friday night, play this LOUD

Get a sample of the much-desired Big Ben bongs, but loop it so it tolls for hours like a funeral

I honestly thought the exit polls had the parties mixed up. And I was hoping the next day that they had. Leavers will rue the day. Unfortunately the rest of us will too.

Yes we’ll loose the MEP’s to be replaced by a huge number of UK civil servants to manage the additional Brexit workload.

Honestly thought this post was about whether the CF would send her daughter to that ladies house for a lift again 😂

Honestly thought this post was about whether the CF would send her daughter to that ladies house for a lift again

It's less serious than THAT

I do agree that one of the few benefits of Brexit will be seeing a lot of lazy obstructive Brexit MEPs specifically, losing their jobs and ceasing to embarrass us in the EU parliament and not having to contribute to their salaries any more!

But we're now paying the salaries and God knows what else of hundreds of newly-created civil service posts to deal with whole Brexit nightmare. We're hemorrhaging money on the entire shitstorm.

They want us to slink out quietly so no one will hold them to account for the lies.

Where's the report into Russian interference, that's what I want to know!

Doubt we'll be seeing that any time soon Cordu.

Doubt we'll be seeing that any time soon cordu.

I'll just leave this here:

The EP Greens, picking up on what former MEP Alyn Smith said, ie:

"I'm not asking you to solve our domestic discussions, I am asking you to leave a light on, so we can find our way home."

So we did.

Peter North (,promoted brexit for years) now believes there is no optimal outcome.

peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2020/01/brexit-chickens-home-to-roost.html?m=1

Do those people who think the EU is undemocratic actually understand what democracy means?

The EU has an elected parliament, just like the UK.

And an unelected civil service, just like the UK.

That's some good spinning by Pete - banned by Twitter - North. He lays out the disaster awaiting the UK while still, essentially, being a 'sovereignty' Leaver. He says, 'Such warnings were ignored while opponents of the Efta option spun the myth that the Efta court wasn't independent and essentially mirrored the ECJ - which is a crude and essentially inaccurate picture to paint. Again both remainers and leavers parroted this narrative.'

Remainers weren't opponents of Efta, not at all. But, it just emphasised how pointless Brexit was. It was the Leave ultras who would accept no compromise. Better to follow Roland Smith who was an associate of the Norths. More grown up.

I agree.

The EFTA argument keeps coming up with EFTA people desperately trying to spin the , it ain't nothing to do with me Guv.

I have EFTA friends who are really naive. Didn't think Cameron would resign (fairly obvious he would), don't get they also voted for the leave mirage....

The penny dropped for Smith fairly early on.

Do those people who think the EU is undemocratic actually understand what democracy means?

Now that, in one of the more centralised EU countries, with an all-but-destroyed and daily-maligned system of local government, is a very good question. And I think the answer is a flat no. From my perspective the 80s, weirdly, was the last time we saw democracy. For a country of this size you need distributed and cooperating systems if democracy is to be real. Blair was a centralisation fanatic.

...and nothing has been improved since by bloody Cameron and his cronies. May might have done if given the chance but maybe not. We urgently need a review of the way power is held and expressed in Britain, we need local government to mean something again. But how can we know what that looks like if the last time we saw it was long before the start of the WWW even? No wonder certain interests always wanted out of the EU.

I can’t help but feel sorry for people who might be struggling now and could face serious hardship due to Brexit - no matter how they voted actually.
I think a lot of the crowing and overly bombastic celebrations betray a real fear of what comes next.
The penny is starting to drop for a fair few people.
When did we decide it was ok to wish ill on others because they made a terrible mistake?

"When did we decide it was ok to wish ill on others because they made a terrible mistake?"
Not a scab I want to pick just now.

To be honest I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who voted for brexit and who is likely to be worse off because of it. I hope they just enjoy revelling in our nation "being great again" while struggling to make ends meetings had enough of the constant crowing over getting brexit done, and the broken promises of Norway + type deals now turning into the threat of non-alignment.

I do, however, feel very sorry for any remainers on the headline who's lives may well be harder as a result of something they didn't even vote for.

That's pretty harsh, Canyou

Yes, I'm furious with them too but let's focus on who actually caused this mess.

David Cameron for gambling the entire country's future on winning a pissing contest with other senior Tories.

The Leave campaign for telling outright lies - all of it, not just the infamous bus slogan - and illegally over-spending in dodgy targeted campaigns misusing people's data to manipulate opinion. Cambridge Analytica revellations were shocking.

Those who voted Leave only did what the rest of us do every single day without realising it (and frequently lying to ourselves about it). They were influenced by advertising. They were swayed by the information, style, imagery and emotional manipulation of a well financed and carefully crafted campaign. So are we all when we buy branded products.

Yes, I'm angry and yes, I'm sad. But I'm also very aware of who's to blame.

It's the fact Cameron had no plans for what would happen if Brexit DID win. I'd be more OK with it if the Tories had actually had a plan in place. But it was all just one big power struggle.

I am worried about losing work as a result of Brexit, and the possibility of going back into sex work. We'll see.

@malificent7

Or you could play this:

In what way were you not free before?

In what way will the UK be more free after leaving?

@CameFromAway I'd feel far more magnanimous if I hadn't had to endure 3+ years of all the gloating and polarizing factually incorrect rubbish that I've had to block on social media to keep my sanity intact.

Plus the brexit party.... need I say more?? (Execpt that plenty voted for them, so people of that mindset really so exist..)

They've wished for it so hard that I have just run out of any sympathy for them in terms of the impacts.

I'd feel differently if there were more acceptance that the difference between 17.4m and 16.1m means that 350 thousand people swung a decision- that's not really a big number. And even then, the leave campaign was based on a close relationship/some form of customs deal. (Plus it was a campaign based on lies which mainly won because it hit an emotional button for people who still think have an empire).

If there was more tall of compromise and recognition of how close the vote was, and this was being reflected in discussion on close future alignment and customs unions then I would also have more sympathy.

But what's actually happened is that the leavers seem to have shifted further and further right politically, and the softer options have been pushed off the table so we're left with a devastating hard brexit being delivered by a man who no one can trust. Great.

And the leavers appear to think this is great...

So no, no sympathy for them. And absolutely no feelings of national unity here either, despite our dear leader's aspirations. He's just making it worse from where I'm sitting.