To think mumsnet needs a separate 'Gender' section?

[Jargoyle]

I've been lurking here for years prior to signing up, but have now all but abandoned the women's rights section due to the overwhelming proliferation of trans threads.

I get that self ID is a big issue but I was saddened, for example, during the whole Irish abortion debacle that the first thread on it was barely two pages long whilst people were happily discussing Caitlyn Genner's style comments until the cows came home.

I think a separate section would be beneficial where the same old posters can have the same old discussions about it all.

I don't know why you think we're giving the opposition power when we're fighting against them. Laws are made of words. Words do have power.

Because of the argument that feminism will become IMPOSSIBLE if other people define words, especially "woman" in a particular way. That's giving them power to prevent us from continuing with feminism.

Nobody posts on those boards. They are full of tumble weed.

You could change that. There's no point in creating a new feminist board for people who don't like the current active one when there are several existing feminist boards which are hardly used.

Nobody posts on those boards. They are full of tumble weed.

But surely if a post is started on one of those boards without 'all the gender stuff' the proponents on this thread who want to debate or discuss that way, would flock?

Socalm do you consider everyone who fights against an enemy to be giving the enemy power? That's a very strange view of the world.

Nobody posts on those boards. They are full of tumble weed.

So you want the space we post in - FWR - because it's a busy and thriving board with lots of posters - but you want those posters that make up that board not to talk about what they're talking about? Or to somehow change what they're talking about? It doesn't really work like that.

I think "shut up!" covers it theflushedzebra

So you want the space we post in - FWR - because it's a busy and thriving board with lots of posters - but you want those posters that make up that board not to talk about what they're talking about? Or to somehow change what they're talking about?

Taking a space that other people are comfortable in and telling those people they can only share if they shut up and accept the new narratives. Now, who does that remind you off?

Nobody posts on those boards. They are full of tumble weed.

Which should clue you in to what a majority people actually want to talk about.

Because of the argument that feminism will become IMPOSSIBLE if other people define words, especially "woman" in a particular way. That's giving them power to prevent us from continuing with feminism.

Not if we stop them from redefining words.

Thought Police officers are contacting Feminist women about their hate incident when they use words however they like on the twitter these days.

Socalm do you consider everyone who fights against an enemy to be giving the enemy power?

No

Because of the argument that feminism will become IMPOSSIBLE if other people define words, especially "woman" in a particular way. That's giving them power to prevent us from continuing with feminism.

The word woman means adult human female. The laws that currently protect us use the words woman, girls and female. If those words now include males, men and boys we lose our protection. That's why we fight it.

theflushedzebra and OldCrone

So you want the space we post in - FWR - because it's a busy and thriving board with lots of posters - but you want those posters that make up that board not to talk about what they're talking about? Or to somehow change what they're talking about? It doesn't really work like that

Who is the "you" you are referring to? It certainly isn't me. I have not said anything on here which supports what the OP is asking or told "you" what "you" should or should not talk about.

And who is the "we" ? I've been posting on FWR for at least 5 years under a number of names.

Do feel free to apologise theflushedzebra for your wild invention of what I'm supposed to have said. I won't hold my breath.

No, don't hold your breath, Desiree - my post was my own reaction to your posts on this thread and I stand by it.

What do you want then? Spell it out.

So you think the OP is being reasonable or unreasonable?

I'll also add that my post included a question mark - so it was a question to you.

All you did was fire back more questions then demand an apology

I am beginning to see a pattern.

Desiree but that was my point

Posters on this thread (not necessarily you) are critical of FWR and want it to change. But why should it? Its users like it - FWR is the third most used board on MN.

If you dislike FWR, just ignore it and go post on another Feminism board. Others might join you and soon you could have another thriving feminism board, but more to your taste.

I’m personally supportive of a “liberal feminism” board if other women want it, btw

But I can see HQ rolling their eyes cause there are four boards already there, which the libfemmers aren’t doing much in

@TwitcherOfCurtains

If you want a wider range of topics in FWR, why not start some threads?

Don't be silly, much easier to moan about it than be proactive about it.

If you dislike FWR, just ignore it and go post on another Feminism board. Others might join you and soon you could have another thriving feminism board, but more to your taste.

The other Feminism boards seem to be mentioned here as non- or at least, less prominently GC spaces, but if you look at the threads in them, that isn't the case. With the exception of 'Book Club' which as you might expect, contains threads about books, they have the same trans theme running through them as 'Feminist Chat' - just fewer threads. All have them have been posted on within the last week, though, so it's not really accurate to present them as an empty space that could be filled by Liberal Feminists.

PersonFrom2045

So start threads that say "I'm only interested in this from a liberal feminist perspective" and ignore any posts that deviate from that.

Start a thread entitled "LibFem perspectives" or whatever.

I just do not get the whining. I guarantee that if a liberal feminist board gets opened, it will be as dead as the boards like Feminist Book Club or Fishnet or Camping.

People talk about what they want to talk about. If not enough of you want to talk about whatever it is that you can't talk about on FWR, what can be done?

So start threads that say "I'm only interested in this from a liberal feminist perspective" and ignore any posts that deviate from that.

It's an option.

I honestly think you should go for it person

People will post depending on the subject, and obviously there will be lurkers...i read just about everything on FWR. I just don’t post on everything

Because of the argument that feminism will become IMPOSSIBLE if other people define words, especially "woman" in a particular way.

Why would anyone even want to redefine "woman" if doing so doesn't have any effect on the rest of us?

If words don't matter why is saying "transwomen are men" viewed as "literal violence"?