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To think mumsnet needs a separate 'Gender' section?

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Jargoyle · 25/01/2020 01:31

I've been lurking here for years prior to signing up, but have now all but abandoned the women's rights section due to the overwhelming proliferation of trans threads.

I get that self ID is a big issue but I was saddened, for example, during the whole Irish abortion debacle that the first thread on it was barely two pages long whilst people were happily discussing Caitlyn Genner's style comments until the cows came home.

I think a separate section would be beneficial where the same old posters can have the same old discussions about it all.

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Clymene · 27/01/2020 00:16

If you want the content of a board to change, post the threads you want to see, don't whine that other people aren't doing that. This isn't McDonald's you know. You make the content. We are the product.

DiegoSaber · 27/01/2020 00:20

Are you a feminist, Diego? Do you agree that feminism is the political movement for the emancipation of women, and that women are adult human females, born female?

Yes and yes.

If yes, you'll be right at home in the FWR section

I always found there to be too many dickheads like JulyKit there, so I prefer to just avoid it. It is quite possible to be a feminist and NOT use the mumsnet feminism board after all!

JulyKit · 27/01/2020 00:21

you seem to have very, very little awareness of the 'older issues' you say you're interested in. (I've pointed that out above, but I notice you've not engaged with that.)

Oof, my mistake - that was a different poster!

(Perhaps that'll make you feel a little more confident, @DiegoSaber....)

DiegoSaber · 27/01/2020 00:22

JulyKit get a grip. I said was I don't like the forum because of the WAY people on there post, not WHAT they post. You've demonstrated my point perfectly. Really perfectly. I've no idea why you think anything I've said has any bearing on my views on feminism.

Thelnebriati · 27/01/2020 00:22

Feminism is a verb. Lots of posters on FWR have a history of activism, maybe one that includes working the women's sector. I guess the culture will come as a shock if you are used to being around, for example, students.

theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:23

Well, avoid it then. But if your political views are as you say, I can't see that anyone would be a dickhead to you - except maybe visiting MRAs. And we usually have fun with them.

Feminists are going to disagree wth anti-feminist views.

JulyKit · 27/01/2020 00:24

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theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:25

We had an MRA calling us all horse faced cunts yesterday. I laughed, I really did. Men like that can't hurt me here.

DiegoSaber · 27/01/2020 00:26

Well, avoid it then. But if your political views are as you say, I can't see that anyone would be a dickhead to you

Not me specifically, just in general.

Here's an easy parallel: AIBU is generally full of people acting like dickheads. Doesn't mean I think the concept of a forum where people ask "AIBU" and get honest, frank answers is necessarily wrong, just that the way huge numbers of people in AIBU go about it is needlessly rude.

I hope that's not too much whining about something I've no intention of trying to change. It's just an internet forum after all. I think it's ok to voice my opinion on it. It's not keeping me awake at night or anything.

JulyKit · 27/01/2020 00:27

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theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:28

I seriously cannot see your point here, Diego. Perhaps we should shut down all the forums people might act like dickheads on? Oops that's Mumsnet gone.

DiegoSaber · 27/01/2020 00:28

So why not do just that, @DiegoSaber?

I do. That's all I said in my first post on this thread that you picked up on for some reason 🤦‍♀️

if you find people intimidating - and it seems you do - maybe avoid resorting to abuse. That way, people will probably like and respect you a bit more

I don't find you or any strangers online intimidating. I said confrontational. There's a big difference. Sorry if you don't like being called a dickhead, maybe try not acting like one in future.

YW.

theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:30

Are you gong to go and shut down Pistonheads and Naafi next? Plenty of dickheads there - both those sites have staged 'invasions' to Mumsnet before - because they don't think women should have this space to talk.

Hairday · 27/01/2020 00:31

Perhaps we should shut down all the forums people might act like dickheads on?

Nobody has said anything like that anywhere on this thread! Like seriously, it's just so ridiculous. Why not engage with the arguments that are actually being made?

DiegoSaber · 27/01/2020 00:31

I seriously cannot see your point here, Diego. Perhaps we should shut down all the forums people might act like dickheads on? Oops that's Mumsnet gone

Well obviously my point was not that the forum/s should be shut down...?

My point was just to agree with PPs who said they don't like the forum despite being feminists. I know it may be hard to believe, but I wasn't looking for a drawn-out discussion on it. Just saying "I agree with you" to someone who may think they have an unpopular opinion

theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:32

"Confrontational" is a problem - says the person calling people dickheads.

JulyKit · 27/01/2020 00:33

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Hairday · 27/01/2020 00:35

Lmao diegosaber, you poked your head up and got jumped on. GrinGrin

Sorry to laugh. But how can you think it's confrontational??

squeamishsquamish · 27/01/2020 00:36

Let's not feed the hype surrounding these issues by giving them their own section. Current gender issues are not only linked to feminism but personally, I don't think the topic should be "rewarded" with a separate heading.

Hairday · 27/01/2020 00:37

Could it be that you feel a little threatened by FWR boards because you've overreached yourself a bit - i.e. by as 'identifying' as something you can't really be, because you haven't got the requisite knowledge to be that thing?

This here by julykit is my favourite. Yes, maybe we're not clever and educated enough to identify as feminists. Nice one. Hmm

FordPrefect42 · 27/01/2020 00:38

I agree, we need a separate space for this type of discussion

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theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 00:38

Diego is brave enough to call people dickheads here, but won't venture onto Feminism Chat because it's too confrontational.

FordPrefect42 · 27/01/2020 00:39

Hopefully one that you can’t find with a regular Google search to keep the TRAs from googling and trying to out people. Wonder if that would be possible.

snowblight · 27/01/2020 00:42

It was sad to see Justine have to warn recently against an 'aggressive orthodoxy' in the feminist section and I can understand why many members no longer want to go there. It has almost become a one-topic section and people who disagree with some of the transphobic opinions occasionally on show there can sometimes be treated with contempt by some members who act as if they own the place. I think it would therefore be a good idea to have a separate section for gender topics.