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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

OP posts:
OhLook · 25/01/2020 11:39

DONT SPEAK TO HIS PARENTS

The OP has no idea what is going on in the boy's life or what his parents are like. The school may already have safeguarding concerns about him. Blasting in telling them about this could be dangerous for him. Hopefully not but it's really not worth the risk.

Stifledlife · 25/01/2020 11:40

I don't think you are being too strict or unreasonable.

This is all about her self respect and safety.

It is unreasonable for a 12 year old boy to send sexually explicit messages to an 11 year old girl.

She is not a "slag" who can be manipulated into anything she is uncomfortable with by this boy, no matter what her age, and she needs to know that your concern comes from a place of love.

I think the going out for a hot chocolate and a good talk is an excellent idea. It gives you an opportunity to reiterate that you are her biggest fan and will always have her back. That you are not unreasonable, but until she is old enough and has enough life experience you are responsible for her emotional and physical safety, and lying to you will just make you more fearful for her. Apologise for the overreaction, explain why it happened and see if you can make a plan going forward to gradually increase her independence, providing she maintains the trust bank.

You sound like a lovely mother, and there are many children out there who would love to have someone who cares so much about them in their lives.

arethereanyleftatall · 25/01/2020 11:44

I also think you are far too overprotective, and I don't think it's helpful for a child.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 11:45

Quite honestly, I've overreacted in the past and said things like 'No pocket money for the next 2 weeks'. I've thought about it and realised that I've been OTT and backed down. The thing to do is not to impose a consequence at a point when you've lost control of your emotions. You should say, 'Your dad and I will talk about this and decide where we go from here.' You could have posted this thread to ask for MN opinions and it would have helped you to see the wood from the trees.

It's a massive overreaction to be devastated, though, and it won't help your DD. My DM was devastated to hear about the childhood SA we'd been through. That was an appropriate reaction. You've discovered this it's time to put your big girl pants on and give support to your DD, who needs you to have her back.

We're not trying to be harsh simply to be nasty. I'm usually one who tries to calm down pile-ons on AIBU. But I feel the need to press the point home that she won't be helping her DD if she acts in such a knee-jerk way.

littlebillie · 25/01/2020 11:48

Talk to his parents be really supportive and not confrontational always remember it takes a village to raise a child.

OhLook · 25/01/2020 11:50

Oh FFS.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 11:51

@OhLook I agree, as I said earlier. There could be safeguarding concerns, it's quite likely that there's at least some level of domestic abuse going on. Obviously we don't know. But if anyone had spoken to my parents, my F would have found out, and he would have been able to gaslight her into believing that we were lying, he was good at that.

You should simply tell the Safeguarding lead at the school and leave it with them. Your only concern is your DD's wellbeing.

bonnie1981 · 25/01/2020 12:00

Some kind replies, some fair replies and some downright nasty replies. I was hoping for advice on what to do next, I wasn't expecting to be told my parenting is "awful" and that I sound a "nightmare".

DD is now awake and dressed. She seems happier. We had a hug and a joke. I got her a creme egg and we are going to go out for lunch as I mentioned above. She's then going to watch a film with her dad tonight as I have a night out.

I wont be posting on this thread anymore.

OP posts:
PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 12:00

I had really relaxed parents who let me ‘have personal space’

I got in to all kinds of shit and ended up pregnant at 15

That’s not a mistake a mistake I’ll make with mine.

OP Steve Biddulphs ‘raising daughters is a great book. I recommend it

CaptainCabinets · 25/01/2020 12:00

My DM was quite controlling when I was in my younger teens; she didn’t outright set ‘rules’ that I couldn’t see my friends but she did used to find reasons to ‘punish’ me so she could justify grounding me for 2 or 3 MONTHS at a time by saying it was something I’d done.

She would also manipulate me into telling her things ‘in confidence’ and then punish me for them, so I spent the rest of my teens lying through my teeth when I really could’ve done with being able to tell my Mum what was going in my life and when I needed help, but I couldn’t because she went nuclear over the smallest things.

Your DD has been SENT explicit messages and you have no proof that she has replied in kind so you are effectively punishing her for the actions of this boy. She probably hasn’t told you about him for two reasons: 1) he has manipulated her into keeping it a secret, which is scary behaviour for a 12 year old boy and 2) she feels she can’t tell you anything because you will ground her for telling you the truth, which is completely backwards and fosters a very unhealthy relationship between mother and daughter. If you want her to come to you when she has a problem like this, you cannot punish her for sharing it with you.

I think you need to kill her with kindness for the time being, in all honesty, and stop making this about you and your feelings. She’s 11, a child, and this is about her. You can be ‘devastated’ in private but if you show her that you are this upset, it’ll stop her telling you things in future because she won’t want to upset you.

Sit her down and tell her you overreacted (you did!) and that you have thought about it and now know that this isn’t her fault so she isn’t grounded, but that you just want to keep her safe. Ask her how she feels about it.

Honestly OP, I have been your DD, and I really, really needed my mum. Our relationship has recovered now I’m in my late 20s but I lost all my friends during my teens because she kept grounding me over nothing, and ended up getting way too involved with (much older) boys because I didn’t have my girlfriends anymore to keep me doing what teenage girls should be doing, such as shopping and going to the cinema.

ExhaustedGrinch · 25/01/2020 12:01

She comes from a good home.
I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

YABU for those comments alone. Is it only single parent council house family types that deal are meant to be dealing with these kind of situations?? Hmm

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 12:03

Oh and I would let my dd go to town at that age either. It’s full of weirdos and freaks.

FlorencesHunger · 25/01/2020 12:05

Going ape and your dd knowing you will go ape is not productive. Your rules are fairly strict but if there is an open dialogue of how she will gain/earn more independence through time then I don't see the issue with them. You dd is 11 and young and not equipped to deal with these things appropriately or know when to draw a line, it is for you to help her deal with this and learn from you about the influences of the outside world and build her boundaries. Hold her hand and don't punish her, although she will feel the consequences of her immaturity it is for the best.

LinaDee · 25/01/2020 12:06

OP - I work in pastoral in a Scottish secondary school and I would definitely arrange a meeting to discuss this with your daughters guidance/pupil support teacher.

I do not think it would be helpful or beneficial to the situation for you to contact this boys parents directly. Please don't do this.

This is a child protection issue and the boy involved needs to realise how serious his behaviour has been.
He has exposed an 11 year old to sexually explicit language and displayed controlling behaviour by telling her not to tell you about their relationship.
Request that he be moved class away from your daughter if they are in any of the same classes.
There are parental control apps that you can download that will allow you to restrict your daughters access to particular apps at certain times of the day/night.
I think it's important that your daughter feels supported at this time. My guess is that her changed behaviour is due to being exposed to something that she realises is not appropriate for her age and not knowing how to deal with it.
Best of luck to you all.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/01/2020 12:08

I can’t believe how many people think there must be sexual abuse or domestic abuse happening in the life of the child.
He’s nearly 13- he’s had many years of sex education and of course hormones spark an interest in this sort of stuff.

There was quite a lot of sex chat at school, even in year 7

Jellybeansincognito · 25/01/2020 12:11

That’s really interesting @PGtipsplease

The people who seemed to get pregnant first in my year group were the ones whose parents behaved like OP.

Luckystar777 · 25/01/2020 12:24

I agree with what PineappleDanish has said. I was about 8 or 9 when I got to walk to school alone, that's pretty standard for west coast scots kids - even back in the early nineties!

You have been too harsh in grounding her - she hasn't done anything wrong. The boy has been inappropriate, yes, but guess what? This is what kids that age are/can be like - and again, yes, even in the nineties. There's not really anything you can do to stop it without her hating you, sadly.

I think all you can do is make her aware of keeping herself safe, with boys and with going to the city etc.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 12:25

@Jellybeansincognito No one is saying there must be sexual abuse going on. It's the coercive control (telling her not to tell her parents) along with the very explicit nature of the texts that we're concerned about. At the very least it's a form of bullying.

It could also be that there is domestic abuse going on in the home. Or connected with being adopted or in care. But this also means the school needs to know. I would want to know if one of my DDs was bullying another child so that DH and I could address it.

The point is that the OP needs to go through the proper channels.

Luckystar777 · 25/01/2020 12:29

You won't post again but I hope you will read again because you need to take onboard the honesty people have given here and not go into denial. Your daughter is growing up and unfortunatley you cannot stop that OP.

Thelnebriati · 25/01/2020 12:30

There's not really anything you can do to stop it without her hating you, sadly.
Thats just not true. You can tell your kids that part of your job as a parent is to protect them from risks that they don't understand and don't know about, and that part of the problem you have is finding a balance between those real life risks and frightening them. If they are secretive you cant do your job.

You have to actually tell them using those words, not just assume they know. They have to know you are on their side, that you stand between them and actual harm.

AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 12:31

He has exposed an 11 year old to sexually explicit language and displayed controlling behaviour by telling her not to tell you about their relationship.

Agreed @LinaDee. From a safeguarding point of view, this would make me wonder exactly what this boy has been exposed to himself.

@Jellybeansincognito You also make a good point, however there may be. I work in a school with 9-13 year olds and the 'sex talk' is normally pretty inaccurate and childish (in my school anyway), so obviously it would depend on how explicit the language is and the context of the messages. It would certainly raise questions where I work.

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 12:35

OP isn’t behaving in any particular bad way.

This child is eleven she’s just out of primary school. Children still need so much monitoring and guidance at this age because their young minds can’t process older activities or influences properly.

Mobile phones are a real big bear for me. Eleven year olds cannot deal with the responsibility that these bring. Unlimited access to the internet and access in to each other’s private spaces. Just look at how many children get contacted by older people pretending to be children themselves. Look at how her friends speak to her in private - ‘why are you not answering you slag’ - these are eleven year old girls. They clearly can not be trusted yet.

The boy asking her to do explicit thing makes me feel so sad. She’s already been exposed to sexual influences at such a young age. It will only go to colour her view that this is entirely normal for boys to talk to and act like this towards her. It is not.

I really don’t understand why people think if you give a child unlimited freedom, privacy and space at eleven they will be able to navigate through these issues - how can they learn something if they have never been shown? How you you expect that level of maturity from a child?

I think the OP has shown she has a great relationship with her child and she reacted in shock and upset at what she found - which is completely normal.

I think there should be lots of talks now going forward to protect her dd. Because one bad sexual experience at a young age can really skew your thinking towards yourself and other sexual encounters.

Like I said I was pregnant at 15. Started having sex at 14. Was classed as the mature one who baby sat every ones kids. They didn’t know I used to have my boyfriend in the house too having sex with him whilst the parents were out.

Talk talk and talk to your kids but keep them close enough you can see what’s happening to them.

Best of luck OP Flowers

Luckystar777 · 25/01/2020 12:36

OP's daughter is going to be more likely to be more secretive now due to how OP reacted and has punished her (for nothing) though.

Skysblue · 25/01/2020 12:38

I think you’re being an amazing mum. I wish my parents had been as protective as you.

As to the boy’s messages, I would definitely tell the school and maybe ask the head’s advice on how to help safeguard her.

The most worrying thing is her dishonesty, she obviously doesn’t see your point at all. Maybe ask the school to point you in the direction of some age appropriate online resources to go through with her about safeguarding. Eg is she aware of the law around issues like sexting a child? That by encouraging the boy to continue she is actually getting him in legal trouble.

IchbineinBerlinner · 25/01/2020 12:52

You're way over protective with your daughters physical space and way under protective with your daughters phone. This has played out exactly as psychologists predict it does - the child is secretive and taking risks on screens. The more physical restriction in a child's life, the more risks they take on screens. We all need an element of challenge/ risk in our lives