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11yo DD getting inappropriate messages from 12yo boy

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bonnie1981 · 24/01/2020 22:22

Need a bit of advice and no criticism please as I already feel like a really shit mum and wonder how I could have missed this.

DD is 11yo. We are in Scotland. She's in the first year of high school and is one of the youngest in her year but also one of the tallest and looks much older. This is a worry for me in terms of how she is percieved and her desire to 'keep up' with her older peers.

She says we are far too strict - we don't let her go to the houses of friends we do not know, we do not let her go into the city on the train with her friends unless an adult also there, we don't let her stay out past a certain time, we have a tracker on her phone, there are certain places she's not allowed to go and we've only recently allowed her to walk home from school.

She's doing well at school - getting good reports, getting results between 70-80% in tests, 100% for music. All homework submitted in time.

But I have felt that she's becoming more moody, more argumentative, blaming me for everything, saying she 'hates school' etc. I initially put it down to hormones, typical teenage behaviour etc. When she moaned I was too strict, I worried that maybe I was being overprotective.

It kind of came to a head last week. We had a big argument about her moodiness and snappiness. Also her eating habits - she's hardly eating anything and I was getting rather concerned. She was also mad because she wanted to go into the city (hour each way on the train) with some friend I'd never heard of before and DD has never been on a train herself before and hardly at all as we have cars. I asked DD if there was anything else going on and she lied and said no.

I asked a few times to let me see her phone and her messages because I was suspicious that maybe something else was going on. Maybe she was being bullied. Every time I asked, she would say "Oh my phone's dead" or she would say hang on, take her time which made me think, is she deleting messages. I even tried sneaking into her room whilst she was asleep to get it only to find it nowhere even though she nearly always had it on charge and in sight before.

Anyway tonight we had another argument. I said let me see your phone. Its dead etc etc. I said okay lets charge it right next to my chair. She then started to cry. Turns out she has a boyfriend! He told her not to tell her parents. Messages her saying not to hang out with x friend or y friend, do you want to skip class and even worse, he sends her sexually explicit messages! DD has not responded in a similar manner, other than a few love yous, miss you etc. She tells me she really likes him!

Obv I went ape shit. Telling DD she is 11 yo, she's not to see him or talk to him anymore, his messages are inappropriate, I will call his mum and the school if it continues, she is grounded for a month, only allowed phone whilst at school (in case of emergencies / sick etc), no more walking to or from school, homework to be done at dinner table not in her room etc.

I did get her to text the boy to get his home number before blocking him, meaning I'm able to call his mum if needs be. He did say before being blocked delete my home number so I think he's worried now.

AIBU to threaten to call his mum if he doesn't leave DD alone? Will I get into any trouble for maybe harassing him? My DH wants to call the police, but this boy is 12, is that too extreme?

I'm devastated. I did everything I could to keep DD safe got told I was overprotective, and yet this still happens. I'm worried there might be more going on that I don't know. I worry that I've let DD down. I worry what else may be to come if this is happening at just 11 yo. She comes from a good home. We've always been open and honest with her about safety, relationships, responsible behaviour etc. I never thought we'd be the kind of family that this happened to.

I'm worried that DD may get bullied now by this boy and/or his friends.

Has anyone been in a similar position and what else can I do?

OP posts:
Leflic · 25/01/2020 12:54

Haven’t read the whole thread.

Can’t you just get her to invite him over for tea. Like you’d do if he was her boyfriend and you hadn’t read her phone.
At 11 I was reading Lace and all sorts of sexual stuff doing the rounds in the playground. It’s pretty normal surely for secondary school to talk about sex.

crispysausagerolls · 25/01/2020 12:57

FFS CALL HIS PARENTS

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 13:02

OP's daughter is going to be more likely to be more secretive now due to how OP reacted and has punished her (for nothing) though

Not unless the OP explains the reasons why and why is so important not to engage in this kind of activity. Which I think she will do. She’s eleven, it’s a blip they can both get through this together as they seem close.

And yes the boys parents need informing Incase he does it to another girl and also the school

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 13:04

The daughter is aware that what she was doing was wrong, that’s why she was hiding the phone and for that she is receiving consequences.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 13:05

There's no doubt that the OP loves her DD and her actions come from a place of love. The problem is that her DD won't see it that way. My DM used to react angrily to things as well, she says that that was because she loved us and I do understand that now, as a mum myself. But the consequence was that we didn't tell her what our F was doing to us.

But it's not good parenting to react in anger. It's so important to keep lines of communication open. I get angry with my DDs sometimes and get it wrong, but I always go to them when I've calmed down and talk it all through with them.

And my DDs talk to DH and me, too. DD2 (7) was chatted up by a groomer on Roblox and, thank goodness, she told me about it so I could stop what was happening. She finished off by saying, 'I've told my mum', and then deleted him as a friend. I then had the chance to talk to her about what had happened.

I'm kicking myself for not reporting him, though.
I will do that if it happens again; my DD1 told me this. (She's fairly clued up because I've always taught them about the PANTS guidelines.)

I agree with the suggestion that you take her out for a hot chocolate, OP, where you can make it clear to her that she should never feel that she should do anything that makes her feel uncomfortable.

But you should also supervise her phone use; it's entirely appropriate for you to regularly check her phone. The advice to leave it downstairs at night was spot on.

ravensoaponarope · 25/01/2020 13:07

Why are you punishing her? All she has done is have a boyfriend. He is the one who has sent sexually explicit messages.
I would have thanked her for opening up to me, if I ever wanted her to confide in me again.

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 13:07

But it's not good parenting to react in anger. It's so important to keep lines of communication open. I get angry with my DDs sometimes and get it wrong, but I always go to them when I've calmed down and talk it all through with them

Which OP has said she’s going to do

fairynick · 25/01/2020 13:11

I can’t believe you’ve gone mad at her, she’s literally done nothing wrong at all.
You sound awful.
She’s followed all your rules even though you’re the strictest mum in her circle it seems which must be hard for her. She’s doing well in school. So what she’s got a boyfriend, that’s nothing to be punished for!
If you believe that he’s a bad influence on her or the messages are inappropriate then by all means have a chat with her, but why is she grounded?

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 13:13

She said she would try to get more info, which shouldn't be the priority. She knows enough and can alert the school, who will handle it from now on. Her priority is to rebuild her relationship with her daughter, which has obviously suffered, otherwise she wouldn't have hidden this for so long.

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 13:23

Actually is one of the priorities.

She needs to sensitively see if this has gone any further than just text chat she also need to check there wasn’t any photos exchanged that could have already been deleted.

They don’t need to ‘rebuild’ the relationship, patents get annoyed all the time with kids. A one off big telling off doesn’t ruin it for life. OP just needs to play if very carefully now to pull her back in to the fold.

AlaskaElfForGin · 25/01/2020 13:34

You sound awful.

Ah come on @fairynick, that's not really fair. I don't think the OP handled this as well as she could have but it doesn't make her 'awful'. There no need.

Longwhiskers14 · 25/01/2020 13:35

You do sound overly strict, OP, but it's very obvious from your posts it comes from a place of love, not a narcissistic need to be in control your daughter's every move. I think you've been given some good advice about handling it – FWIW, personally I would get the school to speak to his mum – but I do think you need to find out if the inappropriate sexual behaviour has gone beyond texts. By that I mean has your DD been pressurised by him into doing stuff she didn't want to.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 13:36

Okay, maybe that was the wrong way to put it. But this is about more than this incident, as the OP has been far too controlling with no particular reason for it. She needs to change her tactics, as if she does, her DD will be more likely to open up to her if indeed more did happen between her and the bf, which obviously she needs to find out.

PGtipsplease · 25/01/2020 13:42

I don’t think she’s been controlling at all. Her daughters eleven not fifteen.

BluebirdHill · 25/01/2020 13:51

Just posting to say how hard these things are to deal with OP. My DS is a similar age and I am really apprehensive about what's to come. Flowers for you.

flumposie · 25/01/2020 14:10

You need to inform the school.

Nanny0gg · 25/01/2020 14:20

I really don’t understand why people think if you give a child unlimited freedom, privacy and space at eleven they will be able to navigate through these issues - how can they learn something if they have never been shown? How you you expect that level of maturity from a child?

Has anyone actually proposed this? I think the OP (who's apparently never coming back as she's picked her preferred answers)was too harsh in some ways and way too lax over the phone situation.
And no-one's perfect. But if you come on here with a problem you will get a mixture of responses.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/01/2020 14:49

Oh op, reading your posts remind me so much of how my parents were, particularly my mum.

They were very strict but more than that my mum was renowned for her over the top reactions to everything. The result was that I never felt that I could tell her anything simply because I couldn't deal with her reaction. Not only the punishment but also the feeling responsible for her emotional distress towards what are normal parts of growing up.

I had a boyfriend that she detested and did everything she could to stop me from seeing - I was 18! I know that's much older than your dd but the result was that she actually pushed me closer to him - it became me and him against her and I stayed with him much, much longer than she had just shown complete indifference towards him.

Clearly your dd has shown here that she doesn't trust your reaction to situations and so she has hidden it from you. Your plan is to exert more control over her except that you can't control everything. Yes, these things were said to your dd via text and so you've seen them but she's at school with this boy. You can't control whether she sees him at school, nor what he or any other boy says to her at school. She needs to know how to handle these situations for herself. How to remove herself and what tondo when she's worried about things. Be careful that rather than removing her from this relationship you don't actually push her closer to him.

You and your DH being devastated about this is just too dramatic. Talk to her and talk to the school but you don't need to be devastated about it.

jelly79 · 25/01/2020 14:58

Oh OP you poor thing you must be out of your mind! I have been in a similar situation so I can share this and what I learned from it

I found messages in a group directed at my daughter from a 11 year old boy (she was the same age) that horrified me. She hadn't even seen them so there was no response. She said he was the boyfriend of a girl in school and he lived in Scotland. My first stop was to speak to the mum of the girl in school (who wasn't interested) as I needed to validate who is was rather than risking him being a 60 year old man (example)
I asked the mum of the girl to give me his parents details as he was a friend of the family. She refused so I gave her some time to reconsider before I contacted the police. She didn't. I contacted the police and they made a visit and validated the messages come from the phone of an 11 year old boy when they visited his house.

My next stop was to talk to my daughter about the messages / safety of her phone. What was acceptable and what was not. The most important thing was making sure she was comfortable to talk to me about anything she felt was not right.

There is some reason why your daughter is not comfortable talking to you and she may think you are too strict or not giving her room to grow. Talk to her and get her to open up, your answers will be there

You and not being U you are being a loving mum

ambereeree · 25/01/2020 15:00

This thread makes me dread my DD getting older. You sound like a good mum trying her best.

BarbedBloom · 25/01/2020 15:02

I had a very strict controlling mother and tbh, it damaged our relationship and sent me into full out rebellion. I was raped at 13 and didn't tell my mother because I thought she would be angry with me. I get you are wanting to protect her, but I think getting angry at her was the wrong thing to do. She hasn't done anything aside from receive these messages and given how overprotective you are, probably didn't want to tell you because she was expecting a reaction like she got.

Tracking her and having all the restrictions you have won't necessarily prevent her from becoming pregnant. That isn't about upbringing, it is about education. Having an open relationship where your children feel they can come to you about anything without fear of being shouted at or grounded forever.

I am not saying let an 11 year old do what they want. The messages are not okay and I think you should have had more controls set up for the phone. But honestly, you do need to gradually relax a little about everything else or you are risking a full on rebellion a little down the line with a daughter who won't talk to you.

When younger the onus wasn't on protecting kids from everything, it was about equipping them to deal with situations that might arise. So talking through things like revenge porn, harassment, boyfriends or girlfriends pressuring you into sex. A friends mum always told her, whatever happens, call me day or night. She would always come and get her without shouting or screaming at her and they would talk it through later. It meant she always felt she could go to her mum with anything, even if her mum wouldn't approve. Just a little food for thought maybe.

Lizzie030869 · 25/01/2020 15:10

I think that in some ways she hasn't been controlling enough, particularly in relation to the phone. An 11 year old shouldn't have unsupervised internet access for as long as she had.

My DD1 is 10 and doesn't even have her own phone; she and DD2 share a phone without a SIM. We're planning to put a SIM card into the phone when she starts high school, but we will be supervising her, as she's young for her age emotionally.

The OP has been strict about the wrong things IMO, and has missed seeing what was actually going on.

A knee-jerk punishment isn't going to put this right. She's had a wake-up call and there's time to turn this around and get back on track, if she changes her strategy and actually talks to her DD and listens to what she is trying to say, rather than just 'going ape' and dishing out OTT punishments.

Jellybeansincognito · 25/01/2020 15:20

It’s nothing to do with internet access though?

EmmiJay · 25/01/2020 15:30

Hope all goes well from here, out OP.

bobstersmum · 25/01/2020 15:39

You sound like a brilliant parent op. Your dd is 11, still a very young girl, you are absolutely right to be protective of her. My parents let me go where I wanted and do whatever. I was groomed at 13 by a 36 year old man who took my virginity at just turned 14. I was a very young 14, didn't dress older or wear makeup.