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Coronavirus are you worried?

595 replies

CountryGirl1234 · 23/01/2020 18:49

So this virus has infected 600+ already and seems to be picking up pace. It’ll be in the UK any day, if it’s not already. AIBU to think this is going to have a big fallout and are you concerned?

amp.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/23/coronavirus-china-virus-flu-scotland-testing-wuhan-live-news-updates

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ShanghaiDiva · 31/01/2020 12:13

I have not backtracked. I think your response regarding the uk not being able to cope is hysterical which is what I said in the beginning.
The uk system is better than many, many countries and I don’t think it’s a big deal to cancel elective surgeries, should that be necessary.
The Chinese response to the outbreak seems appropriate based on the mistakes they made with sars. I don’t think they are being hysterical.
I have lived in Germany and Austria and their health systems are excellent. However, we paid considerably more for it and it would appear, based on uk election results, that paying more in tax and health care contributions is not what the majority of citizens want to do.
Btw I also have my dental work done in China.

WatcherintheRye · 31/01/2020 12:33

A big deal has been made about Brits returning from Wuhan being quarantined.

Can anyone explain, then, how some Brits, resident in, or visiting areas not that far from Wuhan (e.g. Beijing) are able to fly freely in and out of Beijing airport, often not direct flights but via other European countries, with presumably no health checks at the UK border, if on a flight from Europe?

There have been cases of the virus in Beijing, and I know of someone who flew in to the UK yesterday from there via another European country.

jasjas1973 · 31/01/2020 12:34

If a healthcare system has to cancel ALL elective surgeries in a normal, planned flu season, that is not coping, its not hysterical to mention this fact...... it happened 2 years ago and they still haven't caught back up with the backlog.

Don't know how often you get back to the UK and use the NHS but it real is dire, even my Polish friends went back to Poland to have their baby as they didn't trust the NHS, they have not returned either.

I have zero faith that the NHS can manage a widespread outbreak of this new illness.... you believe it can... so we'll have to agree to disagree.
I do hope wherever you are in China, you avoid the worst of this outbreak & can return to the UK if you wish.

ChardonnaysDistantCousin · 31/01/2020 12:41

Don't know how often you get back to the UK and use the NHS but it real is dire, even my Polish friends went back to Poland to have their baby as they didn't trust the NHS, they have not returned either

I wouldn’t read too much into this, Eastern Europeans prefer the more medicalised approach to childbirth, not the midwife led NHS one, it’s just a matter or personal preference, not a general indication of the state of the health service.

ShanghaiDiva · 31/01/2020 12:42

Thanks, I hope we do manage to avoid the worst.

ShanghaiDiva · 31/01/2020 12:49

@WatcherintheRye
Beijing is over 1000km from Wuhan, so hardly close. I live much nearer.
There are temp checks at all chinese airports now and if you have a temp they will not allow you to enter the airport, let alone fly. Although having a temperature does not equal having the virus.
Clearly, outside Wuhan and surrounding locked down cities you can fly out of China, some direct flights and also out of HK.
I read that the uk was advising people arriving from China to self quarantine for 14 days.

letsjog · 31/01/2020 12:51

@ChardonnaysDistantCousin its nothing to do with the approach to childbirth. It's a general opinion many have about the healthcare system in the UK. I used to work with a lot of Polish people and a vast majority went back there for any serious medical treatments,quite often paying to go private which is nowhere nearly as expensive as going private in the Uk.
Lots of stories about ailments and serious conditions being waved away by GPs because symptoms weren't bad enough or purely overlooked, the general consensus was that GPs are incompetent/Google things themselves and so on. Most agreed that once diagnosed the treatment would be great but the actual diagnosis was nearly impossible to get in the first place.

PeterPansCoffee · 31/01/2020 12:52

Very interesting, especially about the arrests of foreigners who tried to blow the whistle...
Who are these two muppets?

Not worried at all. It'll be at worst like the Swine flu. The media loves a hyperbole. Meanwhile, Brexit..............

jasjas1973 · 31/01/2020 13:04

So, my personal friendship and what they've told me doesn't matter as its all to do with "preference" lol!

They lived in the UK for 9 years and have always been shocked at primary and hospital care in the UK, i'd also add the level of racism they experienced long before the referendum was shocking, i found it heart breaking what they had to put up with.

WatcherintheRye · 31/01/2020 13:05

Thanks for the info, Diva. I appreciate 1000km isn't 'close' to Wuhan, but close enough in terms of population movement before Wuhan was isolated. to mean that the virus is likely to be present in Beijing?

The self isolation advice is all well and good, but totally impractical when the person concerned doesn't feel ill, will be staying with relatives, (doesn't live here) and seeing others. I think it's a bit disingenuous of the authorities to imply that anyone at risk of carrying the virus is going to be confined until the risk is over.

PurpleCrowbarWhereIsLangCleg · 31/01/2020 13:08

Ds's school trip to Tokyo next month has just been cancelled. He's gutted. So am I - I'm probably losing the thick end of £2k, depending on insurance situation.

But I suspect a sensible decision. Sad

ShanghaiDiva · 31/01/2020 13:09

@WatcherintheRye
Yes, the virus is in Beijing.
I agree the advice is not practical and one of the reasons why I cancelled my uk trip in Feb as I was only coming for two weeks.

swg1 · 31/01/2020 13:14

I'm going to suspect those going "oh it will be just like swine flu, nothing to worry about" did not have swine flu. I had swine flu. I was young, healthy and in my twenties and it completely knocked me out. I was off work about 3 weeks. Fortunately by habit I keep a lot of "just add water" food in because I genuinely couldn't manage more than staggering downstairs, adding boiling water and staggering back up. It was awful.

A 2% death rate is 1 in 50. In a disease we have no immunisation for that's huge. That is all the people who usually DON'T die of flu because we give them the flu jab. It's my 90 year old gran. It's my neighbour on chemo. It might even be my family member with hypothyroidism. It's every single person in the UK knowing someone who dies of it.

More troubling than that though isn't the death rate it's the infection rate. What percentage of the UK workforce do you think we can afford to have off work ill at once before there are serious repercussions? Not just doctors and nurses, but regular people. That's the guys who take your bins away, the guys who deliver food to Tesco, your kid's teacher, the people who dig graves. How many of those do you think can we have ill at once before that in itself starts causing health issues?

There are reasons governments take this seriously and it's not hysteria.

ofwarren · 31/01/2020 13:17

Well said swg1. My friend was pregnant and died of swine flu in the pandemic. It's so worrying to think of what could happen.

RhodaCamel · 31/01/2020 13:25

Has anyone actually recovered from it yet? All I can find online are figures for the total infected and figures for those who have died from it. There are no numbers for people who have recovered, does that mean that they are all still suffering from it?

RhodaCamel · 31/01/2020 13:32

swg1 that is my worry. People keep saying oh it’s ok I’m not worried as those who have dies so far were old or had underlying health issues but we all have loved ones and friends with all kind of health issues it will effects us all in one way or another. I also had the swine flu, it’s was truly awful and took weeks to recover from, there were also lots of healthy people succumbing to it which is very scary and this virus could mutate at any time. I am very concerned.

lemonjumper · 31/01/2020 13:34

187 have recovered from it officially (source).

It probably takes a fair few weeks to recover from it, so I'd expect that number to rise a lot in time. Also there will be people who have it and aren't particularly poorly with it, who may not be counted at all in the number of cases / recoveries.

Reallybadidea · 31/01/2020 13:36

I work in an NHS tertiary referral centre that would look after the sickest patients in the event of a widespread outbreak. Trust me, we would not be able to cope - we're already full of 'normal' flu cases!

swg1 · 31/01/2020 13:38

@RhodaCamel TBH there is a line of thought that says if you're relatively young and healthy getting it right now is maybe the best thing that could happen to you.

Get it now and you'll be immune if it mutates and the full power of the NHS will be set to fixing you.

Get it in a month when the hospitals are already full though..

ShanghaiDiva · 31/01/2020 13:42

@RhodaCamel
Two people in Australia recovered and were discharged from hospital.

ThelmaDinkley · 31/01/2020 13:46

I’m worried not for myself but for my elderly mum who has a shit load of health problems. Mind you she only leaves the house when I take her to Morrisons.

NaturalBornWoman · 31/01/2020 13:47

Get it now and you'll be immune if it mutates and the full power of the NHS will be set to fixing you.

Quite, I thought that when they said this morning they'd moved the two people to the specialist place in Newcastle. How many patients can be accommodated in four such units?

iswhois · 31/01/2020 13:48

I'm not worried but I am very angry that China has now caused TWO global pandemics from their live animal markets, which are hideously cruel in any case.

In my opinion it's time for the UN to sanction the Chinese govt for allowing a trade which keeps causing issues with global heath.

SapatSea · 31/01/2020 13:54

Really good point iswhois

everythingthelighttouches · 31/01/2020 14:08

Found a really great article just published today.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/china-coronavirus-contain.html

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