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Has 'me too' made flirting obsolete?

253 replies

Maskedsingeroctopus · 18/01/2020 20:40

Does anyone else think this is a shame? Flirting was nice, for all genders, but seems to be banned and not allowed anymore.
Replaced by the delight that is online dating!

Yanbu: It's a shame. I miss a world without flirting where people have to meet by machine (and there is no light harmless joyous flirting, without intent too)
Yabu: I prefer it this way.

OP posts:
Shahlalala · 18/01/2020 20:42

Me too wasn’t about banning flirting.
YABU
Hmm

FreedomfromPE · 18/01/2020 20:43

Both of your votes are unreasonable. Your assumption is wrong. Me too is about consent and sexual domination crossing the line from social interaction. Flirting is part of social communicaton. Hth

FudgeBrownie2019 · 18/01/2020 20:43

YABU to be so blinkered as to believe that the "me too" movement has changed anything in a negative way. People can and do still flirt. Flirting isn't outlawed. It's simply opened more eyes to the fact that sexual assault isn't flirting, and if you can't determine the difference between the two you need to pack in flirting and work on yourself.

Petrichor11 · 18/01/2020 20:43

If you flirt by sexually harassing people then you’re doing it wrong. HTH

LordEmsworth · 18/01/2020 20:44

Just because you don't dare flirt with anyone anymore in case you get accused of harassment, doesn't mean the rest of us don't... nothing's been banned or not allowed

FlaskMaster · 18/01/2020 20:44

Me too was about sexual assaults, nothing to do with flirting. Stupid post.

forkfun · 18/01/2020 20:46

I didn't get the memo about flirting not being allowed. I like flirting. Don't like sexual harassment. Pretty straightforward actually.

FizzAfterSix · 18/01/2020 20:46

British men have never felt very confident flirting but in the current climate, will flirt even less as they are terrified of causing offence.
I agree, OP, it's a shame. More flirting opportunities in France!

Fallsballs · 18/01/2020 20:46

Yeah the me too movement was about banning flirting 🙄
I’m cringing for you.

Goawayquickly · 18/01/2020 20:46

What?
Why do you think harmless flirting is banned? There’s plenty of flirting without intent too.

Groping, unwanted sexual talk, being coerced into sex by people in power, leering and catcalling, intimidating young girls in school uniforms, sexual harassment is not flirting

CakeAndGin · 18/01/2020 20:46

People can flirt without sexually assaulting someone.

Actually, I’d argue that flirting is the absence of sexual assault.

JamieVardysHavingAParty · 18/01/2020 20:47

No.

YABU

HTH

FudgeBrownie2019 · 18/01/2020 20:48

British men have never felt very confident flirting but in the current climate, will flirt even less as they are terrified of causing offence.

What, all of them? Do you have some kind of empirical data for this?

user1493413286 · 18/01/2020 20:49

Flirting and sexual harassment/assault are very different; part of me too is about people not seeing the difference which makes your post quite worrying

BlingLoving · 18/01/2020 20:50

Please tell me this is a wind up? Dickwad men who honestly thought groping women was flirting is the only group of people who might consider the me too movement to have limited flirting. But those men are both stupid and offensive and their removal from any dating or sexual pools would be a plus for the entire human race.

It's sad if women feel the same.

Thingsdogetbetter · 18/01/2020 20:52

There's a huge difference between flirting and sexual harassment! While those who sexually harass claim to not know the difference and plead innocent flirting, they bloody do know!! Metoo is focused on standing up, publicising and saying no to sexual harassment weakly disguised or justified as flirting.

Flirting with someone open to it is fine. No one is suggesting otherwise. Except men who pretend dominating another person's space, touching them repeatedly without consent, using their higher position and forcing their attentions on someone is flirting.

CloudonLegs · 18/01/2020 20:53

Nah, I just flirt without sexually harassing the other person, sexually assaulting them, raping them or coercing them and it's fine.

AryaStarkWolf · 18/01/2020 20:53

Yabu

Littletabbyocelot · 18/01/2020 20:55

I wish British men were shy about "flirting". I barely went out (night out) for years because of all the men who equated flirting with blunt "fancy a shag" comments or a quick breast grope or worse.

I have no sympathy with anyone who complains you can't flirt because of Me too. If you can't flirt without making someone feel degraded, pressured into an activity they don't want or assaulted then yes, please don't flirt. Everyone else, as you were.

BitOfFun · 18/01/2020 20:55

This handy guide to workplace behaviour for men should be helpful.

Skolkolet · 18/01/2020 20:56

It's either the #metoo movement or the fact my personal style icon is Waynetta Slob, but the men have stopped giving me the glad eye for sure.

Thingsdogetbetter · 18/01/2020 20:57

Sorry that should have said "......sexual assault and harassment, often weakly disguised or justified as flirting,..."

Gogolego · 18/01/2020 20:57

I think the thing is is that men aren't sure where the line is. So don't flirt as freely now just in case

In general I feel that there as been a shift in the dating world since #metoo.

ifyoulikepinacolada · 18/01/2020 20:58

I flirt with men all the time. But the men I like to flirt with are confident in the difference between flirting and sexual assault. Because it’s not fucking complicated really, is it?

puds11 · 18/01/2020 20:58

Yeah it sucks that you can’t just grab people tits and say it’s flirting anymore.