Has 'me too' made flirting obsolete?

[Maskedsingeroctopus]

Does anyone else think this is a shame? Flirting was nice, for all genders, but seems to be banned and not allowed anymore.
Replaced by the delight that is online dating!

Yanbu: It's a shame. I miss a world without flirting where people have to meet by machine (and there is no light harmless joyous flirting, without intent too)
Yabu: I prefer it this way.

"Flirting was nice. But good luck with your capitalist world where you have to pay monthly to allow a machine to meet you with other humans.
I am not a man."

Is this because nobody is flirting with you? I don't live in a capitalist world, nor have any need for any monthly subscriptions. Way to jump to conclusions yourself. XXXX

OP you are spectacularly missing the point and “flirting outlawed” 🙄
Could you send a link to this new Law please ?

It true the me too wasn't about banning flirting.

But it has had an effect on how comfortable people feel with flirting for fear of being accused of sexual harassment.

Some people don't mind sitting and chatting and having a flirt and the other person touches their arm or leg.
Some people translate me too as them needing to stop and ask if they can touch your arm.

There definitely needs to be a very clear message that sexual consent is important and a legal requirement.

But there does seem to be a very grey area which isn't defined in law and is muddied by the large numbers of people who see all males as sexual predictions and future sexual offenders. And there are people like this. I've seen it on MN.

Me too has been important and the reaction and movement has been beneficial. But I do think there's been unintended consequences of fear to act as natural biological humans.

I think there is confusion and a blurry area between sexual assault, inappropriate conduct, harassment and unwanted attention.

I'm suspicious of those who deny this.

DuploTower

I think this link on page one, from BitofFun, clarifies that grey area immeasurably.

humanparts.medium.com/the-rock-test-a-hack-for-men-who-dont-want-to-be-accused-of-sexual-harassment-73c45e0b49af

What utter over dramatic rubbish! Women have managed to flirt with men without sexually assaulting them or harassing them on a huge scale haven’t they? Why is that so tricky for the poor wittle men? If men think flirting involves groping a random women's tits, or yelling nice arse out the window of their car as they drive by, or spunking down the back of a random woman’s dress on public transport, then maybe they need to re-learn what flirting really is.

British men have never felt very confident flirting but in the current climate, will flirt even less as they are terrified of causing offence.
I agree, OP, it's a shame. More flirting opportunities in France!

Dear god, have you ever even lived in the UK? Men are not shy about “flirting”. And even if they were, are you seriously suggesting women should shut up about sexual assaults in case men take a dent to their confidence? That’s some real dick pandering there.

If you flirt by sexually harassing people then you’re doing it wrong

This.

Um people of both sexes still flirt so your whole premise is wrong.

I think the thing is is that men aren't sure where the line is.

Well then they need to educated themselves on what women actually like and want then don’t they? It’s not women’s job to pretend sexual assaults don’t exist.

I nearly started a thread saying how much nicer I think workplaces are after #metoo

and I really thank those women for being brave enough to share what happened to them and improve things for the rest of us.

I agree flirting still goes on but general nasty innuendo etc seems to have reduced.

I bloody love the Rock test!

If you can’t tell the difference between flirting and harassment, you’re flirting wrong.

This is hilarious.

You don't know what flirting means.
You don't know what metoo means.
You don't know what outlawed means.

I have no idea about what you're actually moaning about. If no one is flirting with you,maybe look closer to home.

If you idea of flirting is unwanted Dick pics, shoving her hand up someone’s skirt, on their chest or arse, forcing yourself on someone, making someone uncomfortable with your advances, rubbing your cock against a girl without invitation (even in the guise of “dancing”), using your position of power to manipulate someone into unwanted sexual activity then yes that’s NEVER ok and is banned.
But is also isn’t fucking flirting, it’s assault.

If a bit of banter and chat when both parties are interested is your idea of Flirting then it’s actual flirting and allowed.

I am not minimising the terrible thing that is rape. Way to jump to extremes!
I am simply noting that simple flirting has been outlawed

Oh the irony! Yes it’s other people jumping to extremes isn’t it OP?!

AutumnRose1

Sexual bullying and harassment is just like any other kind of bullying. The kid who "didn't realise that he was going to upset James when he said/did Y" magically acquires social skills when it comes to playing with Chris who is built just like his (fricking huge) dad.

Jamie yes, so much this

I have tried saying to someone "would you say this to the Rock" but he didn't know who the Rock is! So I would like to think of a UK equivalent, any ideas?

Arnold Schwarzenegger?

'simple flirting has been outlawed'

Shit ....when did that happen?

Jamie yes, thanks.

If you've been told not to flirt because it's making people uncomfortable, that's on you.

If you're finding people don't flirt with you, that's on you.

If you believe #MeToo has anything to do with flirting, that's on you.

Educate yourself just a little, because this is either silliness or ignorance, and perhaps that's why nobody wants to flirt with you.

How are you supposed to flirt then, these days?

"Flirt" as if you want someone to like you more than they currently do, not as if you don't care if they'll like you less afterwards.

That'll sort it all for you.

I read an article which said "do people have to ask permission before kissing now?"

I actually had a guy do that and I thought it was sweet! Much rather they check than just plant a smackeroo!