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Laurence Fox on Question Time

999 replies

SuckingDieselFella · 17/01/2020 20:00

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

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firsttimemummyd · 17/01/2020 23:43

Laurence Fox did not say anything wrong on QT! The audience member was racist to him. Calling someone white privileged is Absolutely racist irrespective of what country you are in. How hypocritical!!! It is absolutely absurd to say Laurence fox was in the wrong, if he had made a racist remark to the audience member as she did to him he'd probably never be allowed back on! That woman is clearly a racist.

AutumnRose1 · 17/01/2020 23:44

Tinkly not a valid comparison. LF didn’t say “racism is not an issue”.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 17/01/2020 23:46

Meh, people can send their kids to school where they like. It wouldn’t be my choice but it’s a free country.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/01/2020 23:47

R1R2
No. I am simply stating that is SC can afford Dulwich College fees she is economically privileged.

My DC are in private school. I know how much it costs. I am economically privileged and so are my children.

mrsmuddlepies · 17/01/2020 23:49

Also, Chakrabarti pretends to be such an ardent feminist. Her son's school is an all male, elite establishment. She might have wanted him to have a privileged expensive education and still wanted him to mix with girls in a coeducational private school, but she chose single sex, all male so that her son would not have to be educated alongside girls. Shame on Chakrabarti for her hypocrisy.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/01/2020 23:49

Random is but you know what mean.

TimeMarchesOnNeverEnding · 17/01/2020 23:51

One thing I don't understand is why white people are so against admitting that racism is a thing and that it is still everywhere . What bad thing happens to you if you accept it is a thing?? It genuinely baffles me.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 17/01/2020 23:52

LF didn’t say “racism is not an issue”

Well he said we live in a lovely tolerant country.

NextdoorNeighbourIsATwat · 17/01/2020 23:54

I want to hear a diversity of opinions on a panel. I'm really sick of thought-policing culture and given the results to the latest election, I'm not alone.

paulinespeaksmanylanguages · 17/01/2020 23:54

Be baffled no longer!

According to the woke on this thread, white people can have no opinion on racism and need to check their privilege if they open their mouth to give one.

Quite frankly, white people who are subjected to this silencing shouldn't give racism another thought If they do, they are insulted, so don't bother.

mrsmuddlepies · 17/01/2020 23:57

Most people don't deny that there is racism in the UK. LF presumably objected to being called out on his white privilege by an economically privileged Baroness who turned her back on feminism and equality of educational opportunity, in order to send her son to an all male, public school, much like the one LF attended.

AutumnRose1 · 17/01/2020 23:57

Tinkly “Well he said we live in a lovely tolerant country”

Agree, as per upthread.

mrsmuddlepies · 18/01/2020 00:02

Perhaps Chakrabarti sent her son to Dulwich College because she so admires old boy, Nigel Farage.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 18/01/2020 00:04

According to the woke on this thread, white people can have no opinion on racism

I wouldn’t call myself woke. But as a white person, I think we should be acknowledging that the people who know most about racism are BAME people.

Just like women know more about the prevalence of misogyny, gay people know more about homophobia and disabled people know more about disability discrimination.

LF was a total arse talking over and interrupting that woman. He is utterly charmless.

mrsmuddlepies · 18/01/2020 00:05

She herself admits to a ' charmed and privileged life', so how dare she lecture others on privilege,
www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/79705/shami-chakrabarti-defends-sons-private-education-i

TinklyLittleLaugh · 18/01/2020 00:08

Some people are confused about what white privilege means. It has nothing to do with economic privilege, nothing to do with how rich you are. It’s to do with the racist crap you never have to deal with, simply because of being white.

mrsmuddlepies · 18/01/2020 00:10

So @TinklyLittleLaugh, how do you justify Chakrabarti's choice of a single sex all boys school? It is her hypocritical attitude that has helped lose the Labour Party credibility amongst ordinary people. I find her hypocrisy so distasteful.

R1R2 · 18/01/2020 00:11

And what you continually fail to grasp is that by its very nature "white privilege" is a racist endeavour and invalidates itself. When people eventually fuck off with identity politics maybe the world will be a nicer place.

TinklyLittleLaugh · 18/01/2020 00:16

Like I said, I don’t care where people choose to send their kids to school: it’s a free country. We all want what’s best for our kids. Sending her kid private doesn’t mean that she doesn’t think everyone’s kid shouldn’t have the chance of a decent education.

It’s not like a Labour are responsible for the state of our schools seeing as the Tories have been in power for the last 12 years.

WendyMoiraAngelaDarling · 18/01/2020 00:18

One thing I don't understand is why white people are so against admitting that racism is a thing and that it is still everywhere . What bad thing happens to you if you accept it is a thing?? It genuinely baffles me

I do entirely accept its a thing. What I won't accept is being called a racist for holding a negative opinion of a POC and when I deny the accusation I am told that I cannot know if I am racist of not, that it is up to the POC to decide.

paulinespeaksmanylanguages · 18/01/2020 00:19

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LonginesPrime · 18/01/2020 00:20

And what you continually fail to grasp is that by its very nature "white privilege" is a racist endeavour and invalidates itself

The privilege in 'white privilege' is never having to think about your race, because it's not relevant to you.

BAME people are reminded of the fact they're BAME every day.

Pointing out that white people enjoy white privilege (i.e. that they don't have to think about their race constantly the way BAME people do) isn't racist.

AutumnRose1 · 18/01/2020 00:20

“ When people eventually fuck off with identity politics maybe the world will be a nicer place.”

Yes, I’m just really worried it won’t go away.

Agree with a pp who talked about viewing things in the UK through the lens of America. It’s skewing things very oddly.

74NewStreet · 18/01/2020 00:21

👏👏👏 pauline

AutumnRose1 · 18/01/2020 00:23

“Bame is the privilege to beat the lot because anyone looks at you sideways, it might not be because your're a cunt but because you're a BAME.“

So in theory, I win the oppression olympics because BAME woman....but then along comes the “gender” issue.

What a fucking mess.