Laurence Fox on Question Time

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It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
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Indeed they are, bit not all opinions are equal. If you have cancer, the opinion on treatment of the consultant oncologist with 40 years experience is worth listening to. The opinion of Vera who works in Poundland, not so much. But she thinks you should heal yourself with crystals, and she's entitled to her opinion.

That's not opinion vs opinion. It's fact vs opinion.

No, the consultant is giving an opinion on the best way treatment. Another consultant might a different opinion. Vera has her opinion.

When talking about racism, the opinion of a white, upper middle class, successful actor, from a wealthy background of other successful actors, isn't worth a wank.

Debatable. We should all say what we think.

Indeed. I think LF's opinion on racism isn't worth a wank. And I'm saying it.

But why are white people seen as privileged? Thats a huge perception to make, particularly if you know nothing about the person. And even if you thought that you did know about them, you can bet your life that you don't know the half of it. I will now be perceived as a white, privileged middle class female. My daughter is fighting for her life in hospital at the moment. Don't feel particularly privileged. That is a racist statement.

I was also brought up by very poor parents on a council estate , however I talk "posh"

So, do tell me why I am privileged, somebody............

White privilege is about racism not every life circumstance.

It’s too simplistic but as an example, think about western culture - what’s the ideal imagery? It’s certainly not someone black. That is what white privilege means.

So, do tell me why I am privileged, somebody............

Because no matter how crap you life may be, it isn't made any more difficult because of the colour of your skin. And that's all white privilege is. That's all it means. As I explained in more detail in my earlier post.

I’m sorry to hear about your daughter. I hope she recovers.
But to answer your question, you are privileged because you are white. You may have serious problems and traumatic experiences but racism won’t be part of your misery.

Most whites in this country don't have privilege.

This is a 13 year old's view of the world. A not very bright 13 year old.

@callmeadoctor I'm so sorry these people are calling you privileged when your daughter is so ill.

The left care so much, don't you know...

"Your white it doesnt make your life more difficult"

Well apart from the endless woke cry babies complaining about your alleged privilege and making comments based entirely on innate characteristics you have no control over.

it's true that being white gives automatic privilege in the UK but it doesn't mean we have an easy time either.

You can't stop discussion because some of us are white....I am experiencing discrimination for other reasons.

And so I don't experience privilege as such. But I do understand that all POC are always at risk of racism.

Though sometimes people just don't like a person.
I think that is what happened with Meghan.
She behaved in ways that put me and others off of her. And she is barely any kind of colour really it is not the first thing I noticed about her.
I thought she had beautiful eyes.
Now I think she is a big fake.

callmeadoctor

I am sorry to hear about your daughter

White privilege isn’t about having an easier life or that individual white people don’t have tremendous suffering and challenges. It’s more about what is seen as normal and “safe” and what is seen as other.

My DH is North African and Muslim and I am white, British and Christian.

When my DC walk down the street with me speaking English and wearing jeans and a t shirt we have white privilege. Nobody will notice us or see us as unusual, foreign or exotic. They are less likely to make negative value judgements about us.

When my DC come out of the mosque with DH, wearing djellaba and speaking Arabic it is more likely that they will be seen as other and foreign and in the current climate some people will view them negatively. Their white privilege will have been diluted.

Someone put it really well earlier, just because you don't see it / think its racism doesn't mean it isn't.

A white man whether he went to Harrow or Gas Works Secondary has as much right to his opinion as absolutely anyone else.

Nobody is disputing that. What I am saying is that not all opinions are equal. If we were discussing how to become a successful actor, I'd value LF's opinion, probably more so than someone who was a surgeon. If we were discussing how to remove a spleen, I'd value the surgeon's opinion over LF's.

When it comes to racism, it is my opinion that LF's opinion, a wealthy white man from a wealthy white background, isn't worth a wank.

People seem very keen to say he is entitled to his opinion, but when others give their opinion of his opinion, they are criticised.

Anyone who claims Megan hasn't faced racism in the UK is a complete knobber. One journalist posted a picture of a chimp and said it was her newborn baby FFS.

Totally disagree. It was a classic case of a knee-jerk “racism” allegation whose momentum became unstoppable! I accept that Danny Baker was incredibly stupid and showed huge lack of judgment for posting that, but I genuinely don’t think he did so to de-humanise Archie by likening him to an ape (as is clear from how he responded), which clearly would have been a disgustingly racist.

He just didn’t think, in the same way that my mum wasn’t racist for calling my black friend a monkey when a bit naughty - she called me a monkey (I’m white) when I was rude/naughty plenty of times! She’d have been mortified had someone pointed it out the connection.

And despite virtually the entire media establishment ostracising him for his misjudgement, with him being sacked the next day despite his profuse apology, this whole episode supposedly showcases the “racist” British media!..... positively Orwellian.

If anything, it’s the liberal woke brigade who risk stoking up racial tension by needling anyone who doesn’t dance to their tune.

No one has commented on my point about Shami Chakrabarti sending her son to one of the most elite private all boys schools in London. Her actions speak louder than words. If anyone wants to encourage a privileged start in life, it is Chakrabarti's insistence that her son (sons) experience the whole all male public school ethos. How can she talk about privilege when she has bought into it so wholeheartedly.

Well, there you have it.

If you haven't experienced something-your opinion isn't worth a wank.

Total. ill thought out bollocks which would silence most of the population on most things but outrageous to say white people can't comment on racism.

If they can't comment then they shouldn't worry about it all, totally ignore it, not their problem.

Luckily, two thirds of people think the OP is not being unreasonable and I hazard a guess that the figure would be higher in many disenfranchised white working class towns.

Check your privilege..check your arsehole. Time to bury the phrase.

Hmm, the way I look at it is, I’m a disabled woman. If some able bodied person tried to tell me they knew all about disability discrimination, and in their opinion it wasn’t an issue, I’d be thinking, “What an ignorant wanker you are.”

Basically, I imagine a lot of BAME people felt like that watching LF last night.

Shami is the biggest shite of all. She should donate her hard neck to science....it would stand cobbling.

White privilege isn’t the same as economic privilege. No matter what school he goes to people will still make judgements about him because he is BAME.

And @TinklyLittleLaugh, how do you square Chakrabarti's comments given her choice of her son's school? She is hugely privileged and her actions are a smack in the face to all parents of state school pupils and to those teachers who do their best to ensure equality of opportunity in state schools.

For fucks sake!

How bleeding wonderful to have a BAME privilege...a ready made excuse for anything according to some on here.

People don't like you and you're a BAME. Then it must be because of the colour of your skin and nothing to do with the fact that you might be a cunt.

How long do you think that is going to fly for? It's crashing now.

You mean just like how your making judgements about the white kids at the same school Chaz?