Laurence Fox on Question Time

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It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

Oh really @longinesprime yet we are forced to think our race constantly aren't we because were constantly reminded by hypocritical people like yourself how supposedly privileged we are, how if we succeed its probably because your white. If you dare have an opinion and a BAME person doesn't like it you can be shut down and silenced because of the colour of your skin.

LF presumably objected to being called out on his white privilege by an economically privileged Baroness who turned her back on feminism and equality of educational opportunity,

The woman in the audience directly called out LF’s white privilege not Shami. Lawrence Fox said the UK was the most lovely and tolerant country in Europe and there was no racism directed to MM. As I said above I don’t think the criticism in sections of the press to MM were solely due to racism. Meghan and Harry’s hypocrisy was a big factor, but I don’t agree with LF that racism played no part.

Shami when talking to Lawrence Fox said she would in no way say LF has no perspective as a white man, but she would ask LF to consider the perspective of anybody who has had a different experience. Shami pointed out loving one’s country, as she does too, does not mean claiming there is no racism in the country. I thought she spoke well and I agreed with her comments.

A while back as a white person I wanted to understand what is meant by the term white privilege and looked up some resources. They all helped me understand more what is meant by the term and I learnt a lot.

Don't be ridiculous, @TinklyLittleLaugh. 'Nasty' get real!

You don't like what I'm saying...tough! That doesn't make me nasty and your slightly barmy, woke views don'tt make you sainted either.

If you had any wit, you would heed posts like mine and wake up to the fact that there is a massive group of people who think all this woke check your privilege is shit. You could then address it before racism becomes something most people will ignore as the term will have lost any value.

Shami and her family are a damn sight more privileged than white kids going to school hungry and if you can't see that, then take off your rainbow glasses and have a good look around you.

@bury check your privilege.

I didn't pay much attention to the MM row as it's such an emotive topic. What I found more interesting was when Shami Chakrabarti queried why Laurence Fox supported Keir Starmer as the next Labour party leader, rather than one of the women standing for the position. She was really stirring the pot and he showed her up by saying that OK, let's support any women then, regardless of her policies or whether they can effectively lead the party, etc.

He was right to do that and another panelist (can't remember who) backed him up on the fact that gender identity shouldn't be the main factor in determining who to vote for. Same with sexual orientation and race, IMO. It's competence and policies that truly matter. That's sometimes the problem with extreme "wokeness."

Pauline I’ve reported Tinkly’s post as I see it as a personal attack

And I agree with you.

The woke lot either don’t know or don’t care that their approach is damaging; in fact, I’d go further and say in the UK, their approach has led to new problems within a multi ethnic society that was working well.

like yourself how supposedly privileged we are, how if we succeed its probably because your white.

During my reading on white privilege an article said amongst other things ‘white privilege is not the assumption that everything a white person has accomplished is unearned; most white people who have reached a high level of success worked extremely hard to get there. Instead, white privilege should be viewed as a built-in advantage, separate from one’s level of income or effort.’

If you are interested in any articles about what is meant by the term white privilege, I found the article I quoted from above helpful, although it’s section on systemic racism is written for an American audience. www.tolerance.org/magazine/fall-2018/what-is-white-privilege-really

@Iggly "It could be because she’s Canadian (swept up as American)"

She's not Canadian, she's American.

Thanks, @AutumnRose1

Night all.

He told the BAME woman in the audience that it was "boring" for people to "play the race card". How bloody dare he. He came across as extremely arrogant and unpleasant.

Report me all you like. Talking about BAME people “playing the race card” is bloody hate speech. It’s awful. It’s nasty.

Yes I did start a thread about my daughter coming home from uni having gained weight. I got some good advice on here, bit my tongue, encouraged her to go to the gym and all was well. Mumsnet talked me down.

But as a white person, I think we should be acknowledging that the people who know most about racism are BAME people. Just like women know more about the prevalence of misogyny, gay people know more about homophobia and disabled people know more about disability discrimination.

@TinklyLittleLaugh, agree with your comment above.

“ I think we should be acknowledging that the people who know most about racism are BAME people”

This only seems to apply when we say certain things. Look at how Sir Trevor Phillips is viewed now.

I’m off to bed, night all.

This only seems to apply when we say certain things. Look at how Sir Trevor Phillips is viewed now.

Every person’s perspective needs to be listened to including TP. However, the principle of carefully listening to the majority opinion on an issue that is experienced by a group is a sound one imo.

So as a white male with money he is not entitled to open his mouth ? Oh dear it really has got out of hand when we dont allow certain parts of society to be heard

So as a white male with money he is not entitled to open his mouth ? Oh dear it really has got out of hand when we dont allow certain parts of society to be heard.

He is entitled to have his perspective and open his mouth and equally people are allowed to say they have a different perspective to him - and form their own judgements on his attitude.

I’m not in bed
Someone please send me to bed 😁

ChocPear “However, the principle of carefully listening to the majority opinion on an issue that is experienced by a group is a sound one imo.”

Agree but I feel very strongly that we aren’t being listened to, that the majority of us don’t want the incredibly divisive rhetoric that is used now, or to play oppression olympics. I think we have a chuck of society who are keen to divide us into ever smaller groups, which is such a shame.

"However, the principle of carefully listening to the majority opinion on an issue that is experienced by a group is a sound one imo."

No that's a very unsound principle indeed. Who needs facts when you have majority opinion?

Laurence Fox is an average actor with questionable views. I object to QT giving him a platform.

Any knob end can be controversial.

Lawrence Fox is one of those hereditary actors. Not much talent but great connections. And obviously a massive need for attention, however dubious the reason.

Lawrence Fox is one of those hereditary actors.

Oh right. That explains his career success. I did wonder. He's not exactly bursting with talent.

Yes that totally explains his career success.

People watch the programmes he is in because of his family connections. They sit through two hours of Lewis or whatever because of his family connections. He gets hired for more parts, despite being white and male in a very woke industry, because of his family connections. His dad phones up a director looking for a BAME female and says, hire my son. And they do! The logic on this thread just gets better.

This is how insane things have become.Regarding Lewis specifically. The character of Hathaway is deliberately written to be a kind of Morse to Kevin Whatleys Lewis. Only this time Lewis is the senior one and his subordinate is the one who is into the classics etc.They are like chalk and cheese.And yes before I get screamed at but the role could still have gone to a Bame woman. Yes it could but it shouldn't automatically have to.And there are countless crime dramas out there with multi ethnic /gender police officers.I'm pretty sure Lewis is watched for the plots,the crimes and the dynamics between two very different men.
I suspect some of LF chipiness comes from living with a different sort of discrimination. Inverted snobbery and an awareness nepotism will always be chucked at him.