Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

TheRealMcKenna do you know about this Intellectual Dark Web nonsense?

I must have watched a different QT, I thought he came across well and was supported by members of the audience?

Lifecraft great post.

White privilege is about being seen as the norm and everything else is other but not in a good way.
LF won’t have ever been asked where he is really from.
He probably will never have been stopped and searched by the police
He is unlikely to have been held to a higher standard than his colleagues or marked down by a class teachers due to the colour of his skin.

@LonginesPrime
He didn't say this country isn't racist. He said it is tolerant.

And some white people are in a very good position to judge racism. If they're Jews they will know all about it.

It's good that you allow white people to have an opinion though.

Nah, it's people who make personal remarks rather than arguing their case who don't come across well.

You mean people who make comments like... "Really intelligent point there. Well done."

and "You're a real thinker, make no mistake." for example?

He didn't say this country isn't racist. He said it is tolerant

Never been convinced that being merely ‘tolerated’ is good enough...

He was asked if he thought the negative press/views about MM are due to racism, he replied that he did not think it was.

But his justification for that opinion wasn't that MM is hated for other reasons, it was that this country is lovely and tolerant and therefore it couldn't possibly be racism.

He was then told that he could not have that opinion because he was a white man.

He wasn't told he couldn't have that opinion, his white privilege was pointed out to him to contextualise his opinion and highlight its absurdity - clearly, a white person isn't going to have any idea whether a population is generally racist as the racism is never going to be directed at them.

Feel so secure “being tolerated”

How does he know it is tolerant?
How likely is it that he would be subjected to intolerance because of his race?

I’m not sure what I think of him.

I agree with him on certain issues. I do think throwing “white male privilege” at men to silence all debates is unfair. I also don’t think Meghan has been driven out of this country by racism. I think it was always her plan to clear off after a couple of years and a baby and use her new profile to her own ends in the US. It’s very easy to shout racism because people don’t like to contradict that accusation.

However, I have a strong suspicion Laurence Fox is a raging misogynist and that’s what people are finding appealing.

do you know about this Intellectual Dark Web nonsense?

Of course I do. I’ve come across it as a result of being confronted with a huge amount of unrelated nonsense which I needed to make sense of. To which particular purveyor of nonsense are you referring (if any)?

Duchess “However, I have a strong suspicion Laurence Fox is a raging misogynist”

This worries me as well. It’s not fair, but then I’m not on QT saying it!

I’ve kept an eye on him after I realised he too was suffering “choke on the woke” but never RT or quote on here because I have that feeling.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, they can also agree to disagree.

Talk about privilege is now an overused catchphrase that tries to bypass that and I am a bit tired of shut the fuck up culture. It's a shame that a word used to illustrate such a valid point has been overused to the point of uselessness.

Racism is a problem in the UK and a factor in the bullying of MM, sexism is another factor, poverty another. My skin colour is not relevant to my making this statement, my sex is not relevant to my making this statement, my financial position is also not relevant. I am allowed to have an opinion and so is everyone else.

Fergie was on the receiving end of some fierce gingerism, the press bullied her relentlessly about her hair, freckled skin and weight.

They do seem to pick on the newbie then once the next target shows up they treat the old one as if they have always been respected as part of the royal family and never a bad word was said...

Compare the treatment of women joining that family by the press and men and you have a very distinct difference.

@MintyMabel

In response to an individual who calls me fuckingdieselfella I think that's perfectly reasonable.

And you think that calling someone a knobber is intelligent??

TheRealMcKenna I was just asking because I only heard about it a couple of weeks ago and was stunned by the madness.

I’m beginning to think I don’t spend as much time online as I thought I did 😂

I disagree. Fergie had terrible headlines. Don't you remember "The Duchess of Pork"? She was ridiculed for her figure, clothes, behaviour and not being as elegant and poised as Diana. A lot of Meghan's crimes seem to be lack of judgement - the secrecy over the birth and christening, the ridiculously expensive baby shower, the multiple private jets when lecturing over climate change, the fuss at Wimbledon when she was surrounded by many empty seats. I think it was great that a woman of colour was finally on the Buckingham palace balcony. It brought the Royal Family closer to life in the 21st Century. Meghan is a great natural, emotive speaker. Her speech in Africa was excellent and she and Harry had a great sense of fun when dancing and interacting with the people. She was wearing a more low key wardrobe (after the wildly expensive and mainly non British clothes she'd been wearing earlier) and the Africa tour really impressed me that the couple were going to really bring a fresh energy to the Royal Family. It seems a change that they then spoke to Tom Bradby and decided to leave.

He came across as a massive entitled bell end.
He complained about people taking offence at everything yet took offence at everything himself. Twat.
No wonder Billie left him, imagine having to live with him 🤮

He didn't say this country isn't racist. He said it is tolerant.

I watched the version on the Telegraph' YouTube account so appreciate it might be edited, but what I heard was "we're the most tolerant, lovely country in Europe, [something], it's not racist". Maybe I've misheard.

In any case, giving the reason that the treatment of MM isn't racially-motivated as being because of the attitude of the UK population to race clearly implies that he thinks the UK isn't racist.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion

Indeed they are, bit not all opinions are equal. If you have cancer, the opinion on treatment of the consultant oncologist with 40 years experience is worth listening to. The opinion of Vera who works in Poundland, not so much. But she thinks you should heal yourself with crystals, and she's entitled to her opinion.

When talking about racism, the opinion of a white, upper middle class, successful actor, from a wealthy background of other successful actors, isn't worth a wank.

That's my opinion.

AutumnRose1 I have been ‘confronted’ by a particular issue and some research led me in the direction of a particular set of beliefs and a particular book written by a member of the IDW. I’ve since learned that Laurence Fox has been heavily influenced by the same book.

Whilst I don’t agree with all of it, I wouldn’t call it ‘nonsense’ by any stretch of the imagination.

In response to an individual......

Entirely ok for you to make personal remarks for your own reasons anyone else, who does it isn't "coming across well" eh?

You patronisingly challenge others not to make personal insults but are happy to do so yourself?

@LonginesPrime

There are racists in this country for sure. And there are plenty among those shouting "racist" at Laurence Fox.

Ask a Jew.

@MintyMabel

You've confused what I wrote with other comments.

Try again.

I always think that Laurence Fox comes over as SUCH an idiot on Gogglebox but I agreed with everything he said on QT and it seemed to me that the audience did too.

I thought he was right
That woman came across as racist - why would being called ‘white privileged male’ be less offensive than ‘black’?