Laurence Fox on Question Time

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It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

The issue with shouting about identity politics as a counter to any criticism is that its a rote learned defence.

The same could be said for people shouting about "white privilege".

White privilege exists, and identifying that someone may not be able to give accurate analysis of an issue because of it is not shutting down the conversation

It is closing down the conversation because you are saying they can't have a view because of their white (male) privilege. Everyone is entitled to a viewpoint. It would be better to unpick their view, rather than just rubbish it because of their background.

As I said further up, did people learn nothing from closing people down before the Brexit vote?

Everyone is entitled to a viewpoint but its perfectly accurate to criticise those viewpoints!

Unpicking someone's view includes identifying privilege in many cases.

Why is it inconceivable that some Muslim men would view white women as lesser

These men are deeply misogynistic and many cultures view western white woman having lesser morals.

Its not inconceivable but as girls from the same background were abused in the same way its incorrect to say that this was the reason.

@MakeMineEarlGrey
Your sick of black people complaining of racism the don't be racist its actually not that hard.
As for the "race card" it doesn't exist and is used by people wishing to shut people of colour down.
I'm pretty sure MNHQ have have finally banned this ridiculous term.

Why is it incorrect

White girls were being pimped out in huge numbers. Asian girls were being abused but not handed around in huge numbers in the same way

There are parts of the Asian community that view white woman in particular as lesser fine to fuck with but never to marry

I think even trying to work out whether the reasons for what happened in places like Rochdale and Rotherham were to do with misogyny or racism is somewhat pathetic. The men were abusers pure and simple and they would have justified it to themselves or others in whichever way they could. They abused the girls they did because they could (whether girls of their own culture or western girls in care), and because they were vulnerable.

Its not inconceivable but as girls from the same background were abused in the same way its incorrect to say that this was the reason.

That’s your opinion. Yes these men are no doubt shits to all women - you have no idea if they despise white girls more tho and see them as trash who don’t matter

Asian girls weren't being pimped around in the same way because they couldn't do it that way. The white girls were in care and vulnerable. The Asian girls were married off, sending them off to Pakistan and marrying them off to much older men; they then get raped and die in childbirth.

It's about being misogynistic but n both cases, not racist.

Maybe some are racist, and against non Muslims. But the common denominator is that the victims are all girls. None of them are boys.

The Asian girls were abused in the same way, it didnt get reported because they feared for their future marriage prospects. Direct from the Jay report.

The men who did this saw women as trash, not just white girls

I'm very fond of Laurence, he is my not so secret crush. However, he could only have more white male well off privilege if he didn't have a bit of red in his hair. Apart from that, it's only his recent foray into idiocy that is holding him back. It's truly laughable to think he doesn't think he is massively privileged.

I live in rotherhamz a lot of people don't understand.

I live near a park where young people go and at night vunerable females, at the entrance once dusk approaches Pakistani males park up there waiting for next victim, this is this week people like to pretend this isn't happening.

There is a thing in his country that most paedophiles are white well we are 90% white in this country, but going by what's happening are they mostly white as most haven't been prosecuted and if same as Rotherham 1600 cases.

Shamis compratiot in the labour party Naz Shah thinks we need to shut up though

I don't think its correct to say that everyone gets to have a legitimate view or opinion on every single thing. For example, I don't think men have any right at all to have opinions on women's health choices, they are not women, have no stake in the matter and any view they may have is illegitimate and insignificant. Similarly, Lawrence Fox has no legitimate view point from which to express an opinion on other people's experiences of racism, it's his white privilege that leads him to believe that he does.

Who said it isn’t about misogyny

But white girls will still be viewed as lesser by many of these men they wouldn’t marry a white girl (unless she converted) as she wouldn’t be seen as good enough and certainly these girls wouldn’t be considered good enough

A Muslim girl would be still fine to abuse but she isn’t dirty trash like these white girls were viewed as unless she had done doing something immoral or it was done to her ( white girls are anyway regardless to these men)

Are you really suggesting that there isn’t this sort of hierarchy in this deeply misogynistic culture

when I read about the Laurence Fox thing, I watched the video expecting to be outraged and horrified at how awful he is.
I can't see why people are so outraged.
She basically told him that he wasn't allowed to have an opinion because he's white and from an affluent background? He was responding to the comment about criticism of MM all coming from a racist angle. I don't have a lot of time for MM, but then I also don't have time for Prince Andrew or the York sisters. People can take issue with MM without race coming into it. It's a lazy way to shut down discussion. It happens all the time when people want to shut you down.

@malylis I quite agree, misogyny was absolutely the motive IMO. Having been brought up by a F who was a misogynist, I can absolutely see this. And also because of the work I do with Central Asian women, some of their stories demonstrate it, that girls are viewed as being worthless. I think a lot of people can't cope with accepting that some men do genuinely hate women. But I'm afraid they do.

@ikeasucks See below article on why the RF is so demonised.

... yes Piers Morgan and his ilk used racism, and mysogony to whip up rage against MM, previously Kate etc etc. When they use racism or spy on the royal family we give them permission to do it to us (Millie Dowler). Until one day some of them ends up in jail.

LF is just an aging scumbag who wants to justify dating younger and younger women, his privileged nepotistic life, and is jumping on the MM bandwagon to do it.

Have you ever asked yourself why LF etc have had it so easy and been given EVERYTHING and yet they're ALWAYS so angry?!

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/19/there-is-a-reason-why-royals-demonised-but-wont-read-all-about-it-prince-harry-meghan-markle

All those white men who talk about the Rochdale case couldn't give a shit about the lives of the girls involved. They couldn't give a shit then and they couldn't give a shit now. They talk about it because it fits in with their agenda about Muslims.

What an astonishingly presumptuous statement.

So... there's no lesson to be taken from Rochdale. It is definitely just an opportunity to complain about Muslims, not because people give a shit about the girls involved.

Laurence Fox did not say anything wrong on QT! The audience member was racist to him. Calling someone white privileged is

So is referring to 'male privilege' sexist?

Fox lumps working class actors with black ones in his attacks^

He is just a posh bastard sneering at anyone who didn't have his advantages

https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-fox-slams-black-and-working-class-actors-for-only-complaining-after-becoming-famous-11912649

The actor told a podcast presented by the right-wing commentator James Delingpole:

"The most annoying thing is the minute a black actor - it's the same with working class actors -
the minute they've got five million quid in the bank, every interview they do is about how racism is rampant and rife in the industry.

"And with working class actors, 'There's not enough working class actors'.

You weren't saying that when you didn't have a fucking pot to piss in were you?"

Iwunder, he doesn't in fact want to date young women. Apparently, they are tedious and opinionated.

When calling out White Privelege goes wrong

The leftist press is really tying itself in a pretzel over this.

In 2011, before we knew Markle existed, the New Statesman was wringing its hands (perhaps rightly) over how horribly classist the UK was and that the Duchess of Sussex was bringing out the worst in us.

www.newstatesman.com/society/2011/01/kate-middleton-family-social

Then, in 2019, as the initial infatuation with the Duchess of Sussex began to wear a bit thin, they decided that the Duchess of Cambridge had a bit of derision through the noughties but was broadly a press favourite by the time of her engagement.

www.newstatesman.com/2019/12/k-kate-middleton-how-media-fell-love-one-duchess-and-hounded-another

Their conclusion: the media is racist.