Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

The religion might have been used as an excuse, though, not the actual reason.

I can't see how religion could be an excuse when they abused muslim girls too.

*Stating the we are a tolerant country (compared to many we are) is trying to shut the argument down

Really it should be how can this be further improved

But comes across as you people do stop your moaning you have it good*

I feel you are trying to shut other opinions down here. I’d need to know your full background to see if you possibly score more privilege points than me.

Any racism is too much but really, where is Utopia? We certainly don't have as big an issue as other places in Europe. www.boredpanda.com/racism-in-the-eu-map-bezzleford/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic

No single factor can explain what happened in the places that have found themselves part of the CSE scandal. Lots of unfortunate circumstances came together and enabled this to happen. No one culture, religion, gender or organisation caused it, or perpetuated it. Human beings, from all societies, prey on the weak, the vulnerable, the innocent, if they can get away with it.

By the same token, creating an atmosphere where it becomes wrong to criticise a particular culture, religion, belief, gender etc.... does not make things easier. They are all flawed in one way or another.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50239261

@Ikeasucks that's rather a poor comeback to what was a very good point.

They would have said that the girls weren't being good Muslims, as they weren't being obedient to their male family members and wanting to be more westernised.

Just watched the QT clip again. He doesn’t think the press turning on MM was about her race and i agree. I think they did what they’ve always done with any woman who joins the RF - they tear them to pieces to create controversy- to make a story - putting 2 young attractive women against each other.

No one has said its not allowed to criticise a certain religion or culture.

However I agree about the CSE scandal, however the fact that some elements want to make it all down to race is also very telling.

However many people disagree that the treatment of MM was free of racial issues. The language used and the type of negative stories she attracted (many where KM was reported positively for the same thing) really did show this.

those men would probably treat any woman/girl appallingly- yes their own too. But white women/girls, non muslim women are seen as lesser, cheap and available so race/religion/culture was also an issue

However many people disagree that the treatment of MM was free of racial issues. The language used and the type of negative stories she attracted (many where KM was reported positively for the same thing) really did show this

Why does it show that it was MM’s race that was the issue? They wanted to pit the 2 against each other. Kate was common, a gold digger, a conniving prince chaser, useless, lazy, vacant. Then there was how CPB, Diana and Fergie were ripped apart. It’s a game.

So why did Muslim girls from their own community get the same treatment?

See that's where this argument about white girls being lesser falls down.

In the Rochdale case at least, it was the ringleader alone who was abusing the Muslim girls, not the rest of the gang.

Stop skewing facts.

4 minutes in. The view that criticism of MM began when she and PH began flying around on private jets and hectoring us plebs on how to live.

Not at all, the Jay report identified Muslim girls from the Pakistani community who gave very similar reports to the white girls.

Stop skewing the facts yourself.

Laurence is delish.

@OP
Have you read his rants about women taking responsibility and deriding the #metoo movement.
He come from a background of extreme privilege and has managed to squander it.
Expelled from Harrow school and not doing as well as his cousins and siblings.
Now taking potshots at a woman who got acting jobs without resorting to nepotism.
Seems like a bitter washed up individual.

I think people need to accept that abusers will use religion or race as an excuse for their actions and that taking any notice of those excuses is playing their game. They are sexual abusers and need to be treated as such, no excuses.

They abused both their own girls and white girls in the same way. They are abusers and should be penalised for their actions.

You must know about 'honour killings' and and child marriage (plus FGM), that's as much abuse as CSE. We shouldn't be comparing the actions, it's abuse in all cases. It's called misogyny.

Its definitely misogyny.

The more I read about him the more he comes across as a total misogynist and a very bitter man.

Sadly the world is full of men like this (and, sadly women too) so when they see someone rise above the parapet to state the opinions they previously suppressed - they cheer them on from the sidelines. It feels somehow safe to hold misogynistic views when a famous actor espouses them.

Is issue is with identity politics, with what is acceptable being controlled by a certain group where everyone is afraid to not speak from approved hymn sheet. He’s been taking a heap load of criticism - as has JK Rowling, Gervais, Navratilova and other who dare detour from the approved stance

The issue with shouting about identity politics as a counter to any criticism is that its a rote learned defence.

LF is perfectly allowed to have his views but its also perfectly allowed to criticise them.

Freedom of speech is not freedom from critique or consequence.

@SuckingDieselFella
But both you and Mr Fox plus many others claim to intensely and irrationally hate Meghan who you don't but it's definitely not racism🤣🤣🤣

@hueyblue
Black and mixed race girls in care were also victims