Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

LF voice is indicative of the white male whine about their rights.

You wait. It'll be 'women have gone too far' next and 'rights for white men'.

Billie Piper left him and you can still see the anger in him about that. How dare she.

He's not the one to pin your hopes on. He's really not.

Are you claiming that the constant abuse of Diane Diane Abbot, both the opaque and the blatant is not based in racism? Genuinely ?

There are a growing number of angry men out there who are incandescent about women being able to leave them. Women having earning power to make decisions. Women having the right to refuse sex. Women making health choices about their

LF is typical of this growing resentment.

You've all had your moment but it's us white men who really have it bad and we need someone to blame and get our anger out.

Yes there's a case for balance, which I attempted by pointing out why people get offended by the phrase 'white privilege', with the example of the wealthy Asian surgeon and the patient who needs food bank.

Yes but I think it isn't so much that people are offended by the term White Privilege, rather than they simply don't agree with the idea of it.
White Privilege was a theory first put forward by an American named Peggy McIntosh in 1989. She argued that all white people from birth carry an invisible knapsack full of 26 privileges that non white people don't share. But the problem many people have with these 26 privileges is that they also relate to class privilege and are nothing to do with race, as you can see here in the link where the 26 are listed. It isnt a long read and the each privilege is just one sentence. For example
'I can protect my children from people who might not like them'

nationalseedproject.org/Key-SEED-Texts/white-privilege-unpacking-the-invisible-knapsack

@malylis - Of course Racists will criticise Dianne Abbot because they are racists - and long may they burn in hell. However not all criticism of Dianne Abbot is racist - yet we are told it is - because ‘White Privilege’ she is a poor political performer and has damaged her Party - not taking criticism of her and the party seriously - will ultimately damage the Party - by keeping her in a position she should not hold - and telling normal people they are racists - just as being told voting Leave was a racist endeavour - pushed Labour Voters into the arms of the Tories

The idea that white privilege doesn't exist is ridiculous.

Of course it does.

As does male and class privilege too.

There are levels of intersectionality where privileges overlap, and this is where the issue arises that people don't believe in it. Painting it that all white people benefit from all white priveleges at all times is disingenuous.

Serena Williams, notice the double standards with which she's judged for getting angry on court compared to someone like McEnroe, who is everyone's favourite commentator.

For all his tantrums on court John McEnroe didn't say this to a lineswoman;

"I swear to God I'll f.....g take the ball and shove it down your f.....g throat." - Serena Williams did.

"Afterwards, she was unrepentant: "An apology from me? How many people yell at linespeople? I see it happening all the time. I don't know how many times I have seen that happen. I am a professional. I'm not the beggar, like, 'Please, please, please, let me have another chance,' because it was the rules and I play by the rules."

This is from the BBC based on the 2019 election campaign and is a list of the politicians who receive the most abusive comments on Twitter.

Again, she is a poor performer and damaged her party? Boris Johnson regularly makes factual errors during interviews, and actively avoided the toughest interviewer, he also struggled on Nick Ferrari (and had got his figures wrong in previous campaigns) but we don't see the constant derision of him as thick or a poor performer (as you put it). Nicky Morgan had a car crash interview on ITV but doesn't get the same abuse or criticism. Gove, Grieve, Hammond and many others have said and done things that are questionable yet are never on the receiving end of the similar level of derision and abuse which use tropes that are associated with racism.

I'm no fan of Lozza (although a bit in love with Hathaway) but how do we know he was toxic to Billie Piper? People split up all the time. Is there evidence of him being a knob about it?

Diane Abbot gets a lot more criticism and negative media headlines than white male politicians who make similar mistakes. For some reason. There are also plenty of white males in positions of power and influence who are more than happy to amplify that criticism if her. For some reason.

They were negatively affected as a direct result of being white.

This ^. The majority of the thousands of victims of the grooming gangs are white. They were targetted precisely because they are white (and judged because of their ethnicity). These poor girls were subsequently the victims of a cover up by the authorities (once again because of their ethnicity, if this had been the other way around there would have been absolute uproar).

I would say poor white working class girls (and boys when it comes to education) are the most vilified and downtrodden in society at the moment, being victims of grooming gangs and institutionalised prejudice which turns a blind eye to their mistreatment. They experience the exact opposite of "white privilege" (which I would term "class privilege" as it is far more about class than whiteness!).

Boris Johnson regularly makes factual errors during interviews, and actively avoided the toughest interviewer, he also struggled on Nick Ferrari (and had got his figures wrong in previous campaigns) but we don't see the constant derision of him as thick or a poor performer

Really? Are you actually being serious here?

I am no fan of Boris but that is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. Weren’t you on Twitter on the week leading up to the election?

They were not targeted because they were white! The reports into the cases in Rotherham and other places specifically make it clear that Muslim young woman in the communities the abusers came from also were victims, but were significantly less likely to report.

The authorities discriminated against the girls because they were poor, remember it was a "lifestyle choice".

Poor white children do suffer from lack of privileges, but white privilege does exist and they do have some benefits from it.

This making out that because you might benefit from a certain privilege, you can't be underprivileged or discriminated against in other ways is utterly ridiculous.

@TheRealMcKenna - thanks for that - so out of the top 10 politicians who got grief on Twitter 6 tories - 8 men and 2 BAME - @malylis - the simple fact is Boris did not damage his party - he took them to an 80 seat majority - That is a Fact - The identity politics that embodies Corbyn’s Labour Party Gave them (my fucking party) the worst result in 90 years - this is the perfect example of - The Road to Hell is paved with Good intentions -

I love all the white people on here talking on behalf of all BAME people. That's the patronising bit

No one is talking on behalf of all the BAME people - and that's a great way to try and shut people down from talking about racism.

I listen to my BAME friends when they talk about racism.
I listen to my BAME pupils when they used to talk about the racist comments they get from people.

No one is talking about all BAME people - but people can sure as hell see the double standards out there when BAME people try to talk about these issues and the way they are treated out there by the media etc.

Did you see Boris hiding in a fridge in the run up to the election? Did you see him being scruffy as hell at the Cenotaph? Did you see him try to get Nick Ferrari to change the topic when he was struggling by making the throat cut sign (although the interview was being filmed). Numerous other cases of Boris being an entire shambles but he doesn't get the same levels of abuse of criticism using racist tropes.

Remember the current DPM saying that he didn't know the Dover to calsis route was so important? Or giving a load of money to a company that didn't have any ships and had no experience of operating them? Does he get the same level of abuse?

Is it derogatory to remind someone that they've got enormous privilege because of their skin colour?

Dominic Raab and Esther McVey have had their gaffes replayed dozens of times - and these caricatures of them (plus Boris Johnson etc) are pretty horrible - courtesy of Green Party MEP Molly Scott Cato and her brother I think:

cabinetofhorrors.org/

"the fact is that Boris didn't damage his party" that does rather prove my point.

the simple fact is Boris did not damage his party - he took them to an 80 seat majority

It says a lot about our country that someone like Boris Johnson can get such a large majority despite his blatant and deliberate lying.

I suspect that his attitude suited a lot of people in this country. Because there are a lot of people in this country who are more than happy to have a sexist, mysoginistic liar running this country,.

After all, the Daily Mail and The Sun are the 2 biggest papers in this country, And people know what they are like.

Wow TheRealMcKenna surely that cannot be correct? Four privileged white males at the top of a list of the most abused/pilloried, and yet one black woman at number 10 in the list? A second woman who is white appearing a few places higher than the black woman, and three BAME men appearing higher than the black woman but lower than the white men?

No doubt someone will come along to explain how this proves precisely nothing and black women can still expect to be treated far more harshly than everyone else, just because they say so.

@malylis - Corbyn destroyed his party and he is white - upper middle class - privately educated - paid for by his parents (Boris went to Eton on a scholarship) what happened to Corbyn’s magic white privilege - particularly when 2 of the Top 4 jobs in the Tory party were held by BAME MPs - Does that prove your point - Maybe some people are popular and some people aren’t

They were not targeted because they were white!

The judge in one of the Rochdale cases disagrees with you
This is part of his summing up when sentencing one of the Rochdale gangs. Evidence had been given in the trial, and other trials, by girls who said they had racially abused, called "white slags" for example

Manchester Evening News headline
"You preyed on girls because they were not part of your community or religion', says judge as he jails Rochdale sex gang for 77 years"

He's just another posh nob talking. Rich family, best universities, top acting jobs. Thank you nepotism!! £££ If your kid is an actor and will never get a break thank the likes of him. Don't kid yourself if you think this is just about Meghan. These little "free speech" is just a way the rich like him are using working class resentment to tell us he's entitled to be on the free fast train. He doesn't give a damn about anyone else least of all you.