Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

@NotDavidTennant (great username BTW!) very good point. And actually a lot of Asians are not really discriminated against at all. Particularly Indians and Chinese people. And you really can't say that a Saudi princess suffers from 'white privilege', although she would definitely face 'male privilege', especially as until recently in her country she wasn't even allowed to drive.

You really can't generalise; reality is much too complex to make sweeping statements about 'white privilege' or 'male privilege'. (Does the Queen face that??)

David Jason has carved a really successful career out of people thinking he isn't posh, bless him. It's always a surprise to hear his real voice.

I mentioned him before but James Norton is from a gilded background (not as much as Fox is) and yet is 10 times the better actor .

It is all about the publicity junket and him (and his agent) shoving himself (successfully it seems) into the limelight.

The problem with the concept of 'privilege' is that sometimes the effect of privilege is so minor on a person's circumstances as to be irrelevant.

Yes, white privilege is as good as irrelevant to giant swathes of white people, particularly when you juxtapose their lives against the Sussexes.

I'm astonished that anyone would think that K. Cambridge has had a comparatively easy time of it. The only reason the press 'loves' her now is because she gives them nothing outside of the usual channels. W's alleged affair yielded no whopping payout - if it had been the Sussex's who had an infidelity scandal Markle's friends would have fed corrections to People Magazine.

This thread has been generally interesting to read through.

Some posters, including the OP, have really not come across well though. There is an uncomfortable undertone of hate from both sides of the argument tainting what would otherwise be a good debate/discussion.

Towards the end it felt like I was reading an argument between Laurence Fox and Lily Allen 🙄

A lot of Asians are not discriminated against at all

Is that your experience?

It seems the right wing thougt they were clever by thinking they could still get way with their bigotry by relentlessly criticising black people (like Dianne Abbot) as long as they didnt use certain words. The fact this has been seen right through seems to be sending them hysterical.

David Jason posh? 😂
Do you know his beginnings & background?

I meant his voice rather than his background. I shall go and look him up now!

That's very interesting dirty. This I did not know!

Laurence Fox, however, is definitely , by all measures, privileged!

patroclus and the left wing think they’re even cleverer because they think they can shut down debate by accusing everyone with a negative opinion on a POC as being a racist. It’s happening on this thread - people exhausting their argument on accusing LF and others of racism, and then just saying ‘you are a racist’ 🙄. I agree with Laurence Fox, but really like Meghan, so where does that put me?

He looks fucking unhinged on twitter, for a man in his 40s. With the wispy 14 year old's facial hair. Imagine having to listen to that bollocks all day everday.

@Lizzie0869 "And actually a lot of Asians are not really discriminated against at all. Particularly Indians and Chinese people. "

What, in the UK?

Don't make me fucking laugh.

@Livelovebehappy Obviously no one has shut down the debate if you're still debating.

Calling out racism does not mean you can't argue back.

@Patroclus -There are lots of high profile BAME politicians across the commons - who do not get - Dianne Abbot is a poor communicator and has a patronising attitude - she also happens to be the Ex GF of the leader. One of my favourite Journalists (if not the favourite) in the UK is Asian - one of my least favourite is also Asian - If I aired my criticisms of the latter - I don’t doubt I would be accused of white privilege or unconscious bias - it’s a way of negating or invalidating opinions - in a similar way accusing people of having a chip on their shoulder - tries to stop engaging with genuine areas and issues of racism. Language that shuts down debate/opinions is wrong

Who do not get similar levels of criticism

I love all the white people on here talking on behalf of all BAME people. That's the patronising bit.
Also minimising the sex abuse scandals involving men of Pakistani heritage. Utterly unbelievable.

Image circulating about Dawn Butler

"Real people with real suffering here" which is an appeal to emotion.

Privilege is does not mean you are exempt from suffering.

The posts about Rotherham and other grooming cases miss the point entirely.

Oh and no, they didn't do it because they were white and muslim women were abused too. Read the Jay report, it deals with this from page 94.

As for MM, there are most definitely racist issues with the media treatment and people's strong dislike of her here.

@lucasthecat

Why does Diane Abbot receive so much mocking and derision for making exactly the same mistakes as several white men did during the 201u campaign? Why does it have deep racist undertones (you know the thing about her being thick?).

She's a poor communicator? She isn't at all, nd has had a 30 something year career in politics and the media to back this up, a few instances where she wasn't brilliant do not prove that she was a poor communicator at all.

There is no "shutting down of the debate" because posts are accurately critiqued as being racist or that posters hold beliefs that would only be available to those with white privilege. No one is stopping you from saying anything.

However this "shutting down the debate" meme, has been grabbed by the right wing and is trotted out at any point when they get criticised. Its.part of the whole idea that this strong, powerful privileged majority are somehow now an oppressed minority.

The focus of this discussion on here has been mainly around race as that's what LF referred to etc

But make no mistake. He is representative of a UK Incel movement and the debate will widen to women and how women's rights have gone too far now.

Might feel different when it's YOUR voice he claims to represent when really he means stop challenging my world.

Men's rights, White rights .... it's all coming.

Patroclus Diane Abbott is relentlessly criticised because she’s a bumbling idiot with a patronising manner and she’s a hypocrite who should really know when it’s time to take a back seat and stop compromising the credibility of her party.

We really should not have to face accusations of blatant racism in order to be able to just say what we see about a politician who is out of her depth and a national embarrassment. If any white male politician did and said the things DA has, they would be laughed out of town, never mind made shadow Home Secretary.

Lots of white male politicians made exactly the same errors DA has. We have one as PM.

Funny that.

@Happinessinapeartree - you have made me laugh - LF the UK representative of the INCEL movement - LF - May be many things - but struggling to get Laid is not one of them - I would guess - @Patroclus - I listen and watch a lot of unedited political coverage - Dianne Abbot is a very poor performer - That is not white privilege or racism on my part - it’s my opinion - I think there are some fantastic BAME. Politicians particularly representing Labour - Dianne Abbot isn’t one - pretending otherwise is ridiculous

Funny that Diane gets way more abuse than any of the white men who do the same things.

Future - Leader of the Labour Party - Rosena Allin Khan - she performed well on the Deputy leader Hustings yesterday - My favourite to be the leader - Jess Phillips - was really poor yesterday on the Hustings - RLB - whose politics I don’t like (not cos I’m prejudiced against Manchester Solicitors) did a good job Liverpool yesterday - like most people I judge people on what I see and hear - not by checking the Identity politics rule book - or victimhood pyramid of oppression