Laurence Fox on Question Time

[SuckingDieselFella]

It isn't ok to try and shut anyone up with remarks about their skin colour. It doesn't matter if that skin colour is white, black or green with purple spots.

His fellow actors have been told to "denounce" him. It looks like he can wave goodbye to his career. What lovely tolerant people the ultra woke are.
www.thestage.co.uk/news/2020/laurence-fox-labelled-a-disgrace-to-industry-following-question-time-race-row/

@chomalungma
"It's funny how people who would absolutely say that male privilege is a thing are more than happy to deny that white privilege is a thing.

They react in exactly the same way as men who deny that male privilege is a thing."

Yes white skin = bad.

Us white people can only be saved if we believe in identity politics. Identity politics means you can be as racist or bigoted or sexist as you like, as long as your targets have "privilege". It means that you can tell working class people what to do even though you're middle class and you're exercising your privilege. It means you can tell someone from another race what to feel and think. Even though you're exercising white privilege and you probably don't know a single person from that race in real life.

It's deeply hypocritical and moronic.

@TheRealMcKenna

Mumsnet is fascist?

chomalungma yes agree that it is strange

@SuckingDieselFella

OP
Did you miss that there had been a furore over uppity being used about Barack Obama in 2008. The implications of that word to a US POC would have been clear and I do not believe that a journalist would have been unaware either.

It is not woke to recognise that a word has had a specific pejorative meaning in relation to POC in the USA.

My Mum called me a "Uppity little madam" all the time if i answered back, so to me it has nothing to do with racism

I had no idea that uppity had anything to do with race. I cant say I've ever used the word but if asked what it meant I would have said someone who thought (too) highly of themselves/haughty.

It means that you can tell working class people what to do even though you're middle class and you're exercising your privilege. It means you can tell someone from another race what to feel and think. Even though you're exercising white privilege and you probably don't know a single person from that race in real life

When someone who has experienced racism talks to about it - those people who say there is no racism or there is little racism should really shut up and just listen to the experiences of the person who is talkng about it.

The reality is that when people who have experienced racism in the UK talk about it, they get dismissed - along with angry articles and headlines in the media and commentators like Piers Morgan dismissing them.

When people who I know who have experienced racism, homophobia etc talk to me about it, I listen and learn.

I don't tell them that it doesn't exist. Or say 'but what about'.

And yes - middle class people need to listen to the experiences of working class people. Rather than dismiss them.

I have only become aware of the connotation of the word uppity in recent years

But I am not a journalist who should really be aware particularly if writing about race and it’s likely they would know

So I wouldn’t use it (not that I ever did it’s not really a word used often here)

It’s not difficult

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude
"OP
Did you miss that there had been a furore over uppity being used about Barack Obama in 2008. The implications of that word to a US POC would have been clear and I do not believe that a journalist would have been unaware either."

All I remember about that year is that a family member died. Maybe I had better things to do than take notes on a word that was used about the president of another country, commit that word to memory and recall the associations of that word when a daytime TV presenter used it 12 years later?

Maybe the person you're talking about had things going on with his work, his health, his relationships? You know, the stuff we call "real life"?

I know, I know, its no excuse. I deserve my punishment just as much as he does.

@chomalungma
The reality is that when people who have experienced racism in the UK talk about it, they get dismissed - along with angry articles and headlines in the media and commentators like Piers Morgan dismissing them.

"When people who I know who have experienced racism, homophobia etc talk to me about it, I listen and learn.

I don't tell them that it doesn't exist. Or say 'but what about'."

I doubt that very much. You wouldn't be willing to listen if I told you about my experiences of it. I'm white, you see. Too much "privilege".

"And yes - middle class people need to listen to the experiences of working class people. Rather than dismiss them."

I'm from a working class background. Genuine working class, not woke twitter working class. So yeah, you should start listening.

Going back to the original point, I saw what he said today and I just think it's another example of so-called liberals not being very liberal at all. Have they learnt nothing from closing people down before the Brexit vote?

Are people really racist about Meghan? If I didn't know her mother was black, I wouldn't know she was mixed race.

But if they are, Fox made a salient point. He can't do anything about being male, white and privileged and it's no good condemning him for something he can't change. And he also made a very good point when he said he'd like people to look at his kids and not see their skin colour.

And his point about flying around the world and then offsetting his carbon by telling other people how to live their lives was very funny.

Are you listening, Emma Thompson?

I doubt that very much. You wouldn't be willing to listen if I told you about my experiences of it. I'm white, you see. Too much "privilege

So what experience have you had of racism due to being white?

@chomalungma people have posted experiences repeatedly on this thread go have a read.

"Are people really racist about Meghan?"

Yes. Much of the language used to criticise her and the way in which she is criticised rooted in racism.

Fox is white and his dismissal of it (and then playing the reverse racism card) is rather ridiculous.

Claiming we are a tolerant country because our racism is less overt than in other countries is also incorrect.

Oh and Brexit was about intolerance, racism and xenophobia.

I thought LF was one of the better QT guests I've seen. He didn't hog the floor. He made his points concisely and didn't waffle. He listened to others' points of view and didn't talk over people as so frequently happens.

Tbh, I've never used the word 'uppity' ever. But I never realised it was a word with racist connotations, so I think that a lot of people using the word wouldn't have had a clue that it was considered racist. So it would be unfair to accuse them of racism.

My Welsh nan called me an uppity little madam. We are both white Welsh. This was in the 1950s.

It isn't racist.

@malylis
"But then we knew the pearl clutching about antisemitism was false."

Oh, only certain races can experience racism?

And you get to decide which ones?

The kinder, gentler politics again.

Malylis what are you trying to say. Be clearer. That there never was any antisemitism in the labour party?

Thank you for taking the time out of your snarling to prove my point. This is the only social media I'm on and I'm not going anywhere.

@malylis
But then we knew the pearl clutching about antisemitism was false.

Have I missed the ECHR ruling?

If not, this is some serious activist posting going on.