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To think that I can’t work if DH won’t do any childcare?

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Crocuses · 16/01/2020 11:40

DH is whinging about me being a SAHM, not working and not contributing my share. He keeps pointing out that SIL works so why can’t I? But he’s ignoring the fact that BIL does his share. He leaves work at his contracted finishing time 5pm and does half of the pickups. He works late on other days to give him enough flex time to be able to do half of the drop offs. He and his wife both took a week of unpaid parental leave when their youngest DC was ill. They take turns dealing with sick days. He does grocery shopping and ironing.

My DH thinks he’s so important and his company absolutely wouldn’t accept him asking for flex time or working from home or being off work, and it would affect his job security and progression. When I ask for any support he whinges that none of the other executives have to deal with childcare because they’re all so important. He finds it embarrassing to have to say “sorry I need to leave this meeting because my son needs picking up at 6pm”. He won’t even text me to say he’ll be late because it makes him look bad, and quite frankly he doesn’t want to. I’ve pointed out that if DS was with a childminder he couldn’t just be late without telling anyone, and he says but DS isn’t with a childminder, he’s with you and you’re his mother so you should just look after him, I shouldn’t have to give his mother a pickup time.

He’s never done a single night with DS because he’s so important, he has to be well slept. I broke my leg and he wouldn’t even take a day off when I went in for surgery, I had to beg an elderly neighbour to watch DC as a one off, and I had to request light anaesthesia because I couldn’t take time to rest afterwards. Even when I had food poisoning and was projective vomiting and begging him for help because I was too ill to look after the baby, he still went to work and left me.

I don’t see how I can work (especially not in the type of career job DH wants me to have) if I’m solely responsible for all pickups, drop offs, sick days, hospital appointments etc? No job is that flexible. And the bigger problem is that if I can’t work I’ll have no pension and no job for when DS grows up.

DH never takes his full holiday entitlement either, apparently they can’t spare him so they often just pay him for his missed holiday. They often phone and ask him to pop in to the office even when he’s officially on holiday. So I don’t see how I can work and cover school holiday childcare if he won’t take his holidays? And he does at least an hour of unpaid overtime every single day so I cook every meal because he isn’t home in time, I do all the grocery shopping and ironing. I don’t know how I can take on all of the family responsibilities and work too?

OP posts:
letmebefrank · 16/01/2020 20:22

I think a lot of posters are missing the point.

Of course OP COULD work and do everything child and home care related.

The point is, she shouldn't HAVE to. She has a husband who is also the father of the child he wanted. (And even if he didn't want it ... but he pushed for it!)

Why should she have to run herself into the ground trying to 'contribute' financially on par with the arsehole of a husband who has made it clear she should, oh, and by the way, she will still be responsible for everything else.

Better off single under the circumstances, and make sure he has the DC a significant percentage of time. She'll actually get breaks then.

billy1966 · 16/01/2020 20:28

30 years ago I remember working late some times and there were lots of guys, mid 30's hanging around the office, drinking coffee and chatting, to avoid dinner and bath time.

I was childless and unmarried at the time and it still registered what utter twats they were.

Out on a work do one night, one of my older female colleagues dropped several of the men in it with their wives, and told another woman that her husband had said that he deliberately waits for her to get home first to avoid the cooking of dinner.........they were twats, we really enjoyed her dropping them in it😂

Butterymuffin · 16/01/2020 20:29

You said it on page 1 OP. Why stay married when you're effectively a single parent? Might as well be one for real, then you'd be able to please yourself more and you could at least ditch the work that looking after him creates for you.

Fightingmycorner2019 · 16/01/2020 20:40

Single mothers do work though

Indeed ! Full time too . Using wrap around childcare and a bit of flex work . And a few favours .

Get a job Op . Just Get one . Honestly your husband sounds awful and you have CHOICES

Fightingmycorner2019 · 16/01/2020 20:41

Of course OP COULD work and do everything child and home care related.
The point is, she shouldn't HAVE to

So she can get financially independant and leave her arse husband one day . As he doesn’t sound likely to change does he ?

woodchuck99 · 16/01/2020 20:42

@letmebefrank I don't think anyone is missing the point that the OP shouldn't have to work as well as doing everything else. But she can't remain financially dependent on someone who is so unreasonable and selfish. People are telling her she can work even if he doesn't help because that may be the only option whether she stays married to him or leaves.

nanbread · 16/01/2020 20:57

Tbh OP it's easier before they go to school to work longer hours if you wanted to get a career underway. Some nurseries round here run 7-7 whereas after school club finishes at 5.45! Completely impractical for people working normal hours.

Of course at this young age is probably when both parent and child want to spend the most time together, there's the rub.

I'm so sorry you feel trapped in this situation. He's a nasty piece of work that doesn't respect or love you. You deserve better.

If you get out now it will be easier on your son than doing it when he's older.

Has he always been such a mean, unloving person?

Babybel90 · 16/01/2020 21:04

It sounds like he doesn’t respect you, and I couldn’t live with someone who didn’t respect me.

I seriously doubt his job is soooo important that he can’t leave on time or take a minute to send you a text. In fact I see a lot of people working unpaid overtime where I work and it’s mostly the people who a) aren’t very good at their jobs so can’t do their work within the normal workout week and b) want to give the impression they’re working hard and they’re oh so important (they’re fooling no one!)

If he was so important he’d be able to work from home once he’s put the little one to bed.

fluffytowelrail · 16/01/2020 21:42

My dh is like this. I only have one dd 6 but feel so trapped now.
We have no support anywhere but ourselves. We live rurally and school is 30 mins away. My salary couldn't uphold a nanny's salary and school only open until 5.
It took me two years and a completely broken career to find myself basically a junior job in what I do on super low pay.

So sure, technically I'm working but it is so painfully demoralising and I personally don't think you should have to do this if you have a dp.

If I was single I'd probably feel ok about it situation but im very sad at having lost all the opportunities my dh is afforded by me 'just being there' and yet he will say isn't it about time you contributed a bit more now every time.

I just always say sure you go sort out the childcare and once that's all set up I'll start interviewing immediately. But I actually would like the freedom to be able to take any job that would give me prospects right now!

CodyBurns · 17/01/2020 07:41

I left a marriage like this just over a year ago. Before having a child our relationship was broadly equal, probably because I was earning on a par with my (now) ex. As soon as I had a child I saw a completely different side to him, and of course we had the conversation about finances etc. In which he assured me all would be well i.e he wouldn’t leave me destitute with a baby to care for whilst swanning off to his ‘big job’ everyday (which is exactly what happened).

I remember being absolutely penniless, with holes in my clothes. I had no money for new bras or even a haircut, he even took the child benefit money and did all the shopping so I couldn’t even decide what food I would be ‘allowed’ to have. He took issue with the number of cups of tea I drank because boiling the kettle costs money, the thermostat was completely off limits so we were always cold whilst he worked in a nice warm office. Then he’d come home (after going out to the pub or for a nice meal) and ask what I’d been doing all day and when I was going to start ‘pulling my weight’. It was soul destroying and completely intentional on his part. He knew exactly what he was doing, making me feel worthless so I didn’t question his appalling treatment of me and his child.

Financial abuse is coercive control. Full stop. These men have dangerous attitudes towards women and they do not change. A year later I’m still finding my way, yes finances are tricky and the divorce is a nightmare but I’m in charge of my life now and I answer to no one. My money is mine, I can have as many cups of tea as I like. I can do the washing up without being criticised for ‘wasting washing up liquid’. If I want something for myself I can buy it, without asking for money and without feeling guilty.

Life is too short to put up with this sort of shit. Read ‘Why Does He Do That?’ By Lundy Bancroft. Start making a plan to take back control of your life because he won’t change. He’s perfectly happy with things the way they are and no matter what you do, it won’t be enough because he doesn’t respect you and will never see you as his equal. Ditch this loser and move on.

Northernsoullover · 17/01/2020 07:44

Yes you could work. Your husband is a cock though. He should be doing his share. I couldn't respect someone like this..

PianoTuner567 · 17/01/2020 08:11

Amazing post cody All power to you, well done

AdoreTheBeach · 17/01/2020 08:27

Tell your husband if he can’t step up like BIL, then he will need to pay for a nanny to take over his portion of child care.

Jackiebrambles · 17/01/2020 08:45

Oh Cody I'm so glad you've got away from him, what a horrible man. Strong lady Flowers

TheReef · 17/01/2020 08:47

He sounds like an arsehole OP, but I think you already know that.

Of course single parents work ft, I did, but as you quite rightly pointed out, you're not a single parent and he should be shouldering some if the load. If he wants you back at work, tell him your hours and tell him to arrange childcare. Oh and other execs DO leave work and work from home to do their fair share of child rearing

MzHz · 17/01/2020 08:52

Bloody hell @CodyBurns! What a wonderful and brave person you are!

Brew x 100000 for you!

Here’s to your new life, freedom, happiness and being loved and valued xx

Weenurse · 17/01/2020 09:05

Start planning you return to work.
Constantly mention what he will need to do to facilitate this.
Massage his ego a bit with the ‘ you are sooo important to your work they won’t begrudge you goin in late/leaving early as they won’t want to lose you’.
If he flatly refuses, then you need to refuse to return to work or tell him he needs to fund child care.
My DH is very important to his work place, he was happy to alternate sick days with DC as his job was more secure and they were just extremely happy when he was there.
He always saw child care as shared though.

GrannyBags · 17/01/2020 09:10

I haven’t read the entire thread - has the op spoken to her husband about how she feels? My DH was brought up like this, his DM had a part time job but also did all the work in the home and all the childcare, whilst his DF was out being busy and important. DH’s first wife was a SAHM and so he slipped into a lot of behaviours learned from his DF. When we got together he was in for a bit of a shock - I was working full time and was every bit as busy and important as him so I expected help with things like housework and cooking. I had to really spell it out to him though. When DS was young we had family around who could help with childcare, so that wasn’t an issue.
I’m still working on the ‘possession of a penis doesn’t prevent you doing the laundry’ though. My 11 year old is better at using the washing machine!

SueEllenMishke · 17/01/2020 09:19

She has spoken to him granny. He'd of the opinion that women can, and should,do it all....work f/t, and do all the housework and childcare.

CodyBurns · 17/01/2020 09:24

I’m in a better place now thankfully. I should also add that I went back to work when my baby was 15 months old, mostly so I could at least access some income and start building my career back up again. The worst financial abuse I experienced was when I was completely reliant on him for money. I will never make that mistake again with any man. Ever.

My ex eventually became physically abusive too. When I started rebuilding my career (whilst still paying for all childcare and doing everything at home) as well as developing my own interests outside the home. He didn’t like that at all as it was a threat to his control over me. The physical abuse was the trigger I needed to finally leave.

I despise this behaviour and I try to warn women like OP that financial abuse is every bit as serious as other forms of abuse because it is an assault on your personal freedom and individuality. It almost always leads to other forms of abuse and escalation and women should see it for the big red flag it is. Get out early, before it’s gets worse. And it always gets worse.

GrannyBags · 17/01/2020 09:25

Thanks for that @SueEllenMishke Then my view would be shape up or ship out.

Mistystar99 · 17/01/2020 09:41

What a nasty little husband you have.

KaptenKrusty · 17/01/2020 09:53

ugh how do men like this even find anyone to marry them!

My Husband looks after me when I need it - helps me out in the house, makes me dinner, does his share of the washing up & cleaning! comes home on time - let's me know if he will be late!

was he always this crap - even pre kids??

Daftodil · 17/01/2020 09:58

I'm a single mum and I work, but if I had the option to be a SAHM I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Lots of posters advising to get a job, but that's the husband's wish, not the wish of the OP. Think about what YOU want, OP, and what is best for your DC.

Why is DP doing all these extra hours unless it is so that OP can be a SAHM? And more importantly, why doesn't your DP want to spend time with your DC? Do they ever have any one-to-one time? Do you ever get any time to yourself?

If he wants you to get a job, you could suggest a trial period of him being home by Xpm, him doing X numbers of meals a week, him doing the vacuuming, shopping, washing, ironing, scrubbing to loo etc and see how he gets on. If he can do his share, then you'll be able to explore options, but more likely he will realise that it's actually rather hard and thankless work and he will probably prefer the status quo.

zsazsajuju · 17/01/2020 09:59

I’m a single mum and I have a high pressure job with long hours. I make it work with paid childcare such as au pairs and nannies etc. So you could definitely make it work. Buy them so could your Dh if he had to.

Your dh has no respect though and doesn’t sound like he is much interested in family life. Tell him it’s time he steps up and acts like a father.